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From: John Baez <john.c.baez@gmail.com>
To: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: A well kept secret?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:09:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1NLkB9-0006v6-B0@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1NLRqY-0000cU-Ty@mailserv.mta.ca>

Peter Easthope wrote:

They won it ... but how prevalent is the
> subject in undergraduate programs?  Vector
> algebra and analysis wasn't taught to engineers
> until what, 1900 or later.  Now it is ubiquitous.
>

Interestingly, in the late 1800s there was a period where quaternions were a
mandatory examination topic in Dublin - and in some American universities
they were the only advanced mathematics taught.  Gibbs, who chopped the
quaternion into its scalar and vector part and introduced the notation we
use today, was the first person to get an engineering PhD in the United
States, back in 1863.

Absolutely no offense to existing books but what
> about an energetic mathematician or two writing
> a _Schaum's Outline of Category Theory_? I'd
> expect it to sell off the shelves initially.
>

Great idea!

I think it's premature to introduce category theory in the undergrad
curriculum.  Why?  Merely because there aren't enough professors who'd see
how to teach the subject at that level.  It's bound to happen eventually -
but right now we need category theory to become a standard course at the
graduate level.

Whenever they get a good taste of category theory, math grad students are
eager to take a course on it.  They think it's exciting, and they see it as
a way to learn other subjects more efficiently.   But right now it's usually
taught as part of algebra, without enough detail, and without enough
attention to its applications outside algebra. So, sometimes students start
their own seminars on category theory!

Once most math grad students take a class on category theory, we'll get
professors who can conceive of teaching it at the undergrad level.

The only real question is whether our current civilization, based on burning
carbon, tearing up forests, and destroying oceans, lasts long enough to see
this change.

Best,
jb

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-18  4:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-17 23:30 peasthope
2009-12-18  4:09 ` John Baez [this message]
2009-12-18 22:25   ` Ellis D. Cooper
2009-12-19 17:45     ` Ronnie Brown
2009-12-19 22:16     ` John Baez
2009-12-20 22:52       ` Greg Meredith
2009-12-21 15:46       ` Zinovy Diskin
2009-12-22 16:59         ` zoran skoda
2009-12-23  1:53       ` Tom Leinster
2009-12-23 14:15         ` Colin McLarty
2009-12-23 19:10       ` CatLab Joyal, André
2009-12-20 21:50     ` A well kept secret? jim stasheff
     [not found]     ` <d4da910b0912220859q3858b68am4e58749f21ce839d@mail.gmail.com>
2009-12-23  4:31       ` Zinovy Diskin
2009-12-23 14:35         ` Ronnie Brown
     [not found]     ` <4B322ACA.50202@btinternet.com>
2009-12-25 20:06       ` Zinovy Diskin
2009-12-20 17:50   ` Joyal, André
     [not found]     ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E2159B6AA@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2009-12-21  8:43       ` additions Joyal, André
2009-12-21 14:16         ` additions Bob Coecke
2009-12-22  2:24           ` additions Joyal, André
2009-12-23 20:51             ` additions Thorsten Altenkirch
2009-12-24 23:55             ` additions Dusko Pavlovic
2009-12-26  2:14             ` additions Peter Selinger
     [not found]           ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F5626@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
     [not found]             ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F5636@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
     [not found]               ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F5638@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2009-12-28 17:54                 ` quantum information and foundation Joyal, André
2009-12-29 12:13                   ` Urs Schreiber
2009-12-29 15:55                   ` zoran skoda
2009-12-22  0:39         ` additions Mike Stay
2009-12-23 11:19           ` additions Steve Vickers
2009-12-23 18:06             ` additions Mike Stay
2009-12-24 13:12               ` additions Carsten Führmann
2009-12-24 19:23               ` additions Dusko Pavlovic
2009-12-23 19:06             ` additions Thorsten Altenkirch
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0912211413340.15997@msr03.math.mcgill.ca>
     [not found]           ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E2159B6B3@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2009-12-23 17:08             ` RE : categories: additions Joyal, André
2009-12-21 19:20   ` additions Michael Barr
2009-12-27 23:14   ` quantum information and foundation Dusko Pavlovic
     [not found]   ` <Pine.GSO.4.64.0912272037140.28761@merc3.comlab>
2009-12-28 16:38     ` Bob Coecke
     [not found]   ` <Pine.GSO.4.64.0912281630040.29390@merc4.comlab>
2009-12-28 18:17     ` Bob Coecke
2009-12-18 10:48 ` A well kept secret? KCHM
2009-12-19 20:55   ` Vaughan Pratt
2009-12-22 12:21 ` additions Mark Weber
2009-12-23  0:05   ` additions Scott Morrison
2009-12-23 14:13     ` additions Mark Weber
     [not found] ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E2159B6B8@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2009-12-23 21:04   ` CatLab Urs Schreiber
     [not found] ` <4B3368C1.3000800@bath.ac.uk>
2009-12-24 16:25   ` additions Mike Stay
2009-12-26  0:03     ` additions Toby Bartels
     [not found]   ` <7f854b310912240825s39f195b2x2db16cc8f3a5cde7@mail.gmail.com>
2009-12-25  8:18     ` additions Carsten Führmann
     [not found] ` <4B347567.9070603@bath.ac.uk>
2009-12-29 23:17   ` additions Mike Stay
2009-12-30 21:00     ` additions Greg Meredith
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-12-20  1:00 A well kept secret? Larry Harper
2009-12-20 14:38 ` Colin McLarty
2009-12-20 17:47 ` jim stasheff
2009-12-09  7:40 Ronnie Brown
2009-12-14 18:41 ` Andrew Stacey
2009-12-15  5:12   ` John Baez
2009-12-17  5:08   ` Ross Street

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