* iso-8859-1 problems.
@ 2003-02-17 15:59 Mattias Ahnberg
2003-02-18 3:55 ` Jesper Harder
2003-02-18 8:28 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Mattias Ahnberg @ 2003-02-17 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
I've recently started receiving e-mails from more and more people
using iso-8859-15, it seems like my Gnus can't understand them
with my current setup.
All åäö's (for example) (swedish aao with dots over them) just
appears as ? in the e-mails.
Is there some setting I need to tweak to make Gnus understand
iso-8859-15 aswell as iso-8859-1 and other charsets? Any hints
on what to look for/at?
/ahnberg.
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* Re: iso-8859-1 problems.
2003-02-17 15:59 iso-8859-1 problems Mattias Ahnberg
@ 2003-02-18 3:55 ` Jesper Harder
2003-02-18 20:47 ` Mattias Ahnberg
2003-02-18 8:28 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Jesper Harder @ 2003-02-18 3:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Mattias Ahnberg <mattias@ahnberg.pp.se> writes:
> All åäö's (for example) (swedish aao with dots over them) just
> appears as ? in the e-mails.
>
> Is there some setting I need to tweak to make Gnus understand
> iso-8859-15 aswell as iso-8859-1 and other charsets? Any hints
> on what to look for/at?
My guess is that it's a font problem.
* What do you get if you place point on one of the characters and type
`C-u C-x ='?
* Can you display iso-8859-15 in the rest of Emacs? Try:
`M-x list-charset-chars RET latin-iso8859-15 RET'
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* Re: iso-8859-1 problems.
2003-02-18 3:55 ` Jesper Harder
@ 2003-02-18 20:47 ` Mattias Ahnberg
2003-02-18 21:17 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Mattias Ahnberg @ 2003-02-18 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
>> "JH" == Jesper Harder <harder@myrealbox.com> writes:
JH> My guess is that it's a font problem.
The only thing that should differ iso-8859-1 and iso-8859-15 is the
Euro character, afaik. If I can show iso-8859-1 without _any_
problems, how could that be a font problem?
I'm connecting to my machines and running Emacs through SecureCRT
so I'm not in a console or X, although the result is the exact
same one in X aswell.
JH> * What do you get if you place point on one of the characters and type
JH> `C-u C-x ='?
character: ? (07545, 3941, 0xf65)
charset: latin-iso8859-15 (Right-Hand Part of Latin Alphabet 9 (ISO/IEC 8859-15): ISO-IR-20$
code point: 101
syntax: word
category: l:Latin
buffer code: 0x8E 0xE5
file code: not encodable by coding system iso-latin-1
terminal code: not encodable
/ahnberg.
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* Re: iso-8859-1 problems.
2003-02-18 20:47 ` Mattias Ahnberg
@ 2003-02-18 21:17 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-02-19 0:19 ` Mattias Ahnberg
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-02-18 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
Mattias Ahnberg <mattias@ahnberg.pp.se> writes:
>>> "JH" == Jesper Harder <harder@myrealbox.com> writes:
>
> JH> My guess is that it's a font problem.
>
> The only thing that should differ iso-8859-1 and iso-8859-15 is the
> Euro character, afaik.
There are more differences.
> If I can show iso-8859-1 without _any_ problems, how could that be a
> font problem?
Please note that iso-8859-1 and iso-8859-15 are different charsets to
Emacs, and Emacs does not have the concept of "similar" charsets.
If your terminal uses iso-8859-1 and you have a buffer containing a
character from another charset (be it iso-8859-2 or iso-8859-15 or
gb2312 or UTF-8), Emacs considers it different and shows `?'
instead. (Emacs has special treatment for ascii characters, so these
can be displayed from any charset that's a superset of ascii.)
You can use latin1-disp.el to teach Emacs about the concept of
"similar" charsets.
The font issue is irrelevant for ttys.
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* Re: iso-8859-1 problems.
2003-02-18 21:17 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2003-02-19 0:19 ` Mattias Ahnberg
2003-02-19 10:59 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Mattias Ahnberg @ 2003-02-19 0:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
>> "KG" == Kai Großjohann <kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de> writes:
KG> There are more differences.
*nods* I just read about them.
KG> Please note that iso-8859-1 and iso-8859-15 are different charsets
KG> to Emacs, and Emacs does not have the concept of "similar"
KG> charsets.
Ok, I just thought it would be illogical if it would've been a font
issue. But perhaps because I am not used to the idea of emacs and
various charsets in this way.
KG> If your terminal uses iso-8859-1 and you have a buffer containing
KG> a character from another charset (be it iso-8859-2 or iso-8859-15
KG> or gb2312 or UTF-8), Emacs considers it different and shows `?'
KG> instead. (Emacs has special treatment for ascii characters, so
KG> these can be displayed from any charset that's a superset of
KG> ascii.)
Ok. But how do I solve the issue so that Emacs can understand both
iso-8859-1 and iso-8859-15 in the same "terminal"? I get most e-mails
in iso-8859-1 charset, but a select few in iso-8859-15, there must be
some way to allow me to see both without problems with this.
I just don't understand where to start looking or what the problem
is that needs to be fixed.
KG> You can use latin1-disp.el to teach Emacs about the concept of
KG> "similar" charsets.
I've loaded latin1-disp without much happening to differ from what I
experienced to begin with. I read the .el file but didn't notice what
would affect me, latin1-display-sets variable contains both Latin-1
and Latin-9, which should cover the two I've mentioned above.
/ahnberg.
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* Re: iso-8859-1 problems.
2003-02-19 0:19 ` Mattias Ahnberg
@ 2003-02-19 10:59 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-02-19 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
Mattias Ahnberg <mattias@ahnberg.pp.se> writes:
> I've loaded latin1-disp without much happening to differ from what I
> experienced to begin with. I read the .el file but didn't notice what
> would affect me, latin1-display-sets variable contains both Latin-1
> and Latin-9, which should cover the two I've mentioned above.
Does this mean your questions are answered now?
(I hope I didn't imply that just loading the *.el file would
magically solve any problems. I meant to read the documentation :-)
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* Re: iso-8859-1 problems.
2003-02-17 15:59 iso-8859-1 problems Mattias Ahnberg
2003-02-18 3:55 ` Jesper Harder
@ 2003-02-18 8:28 ` Kai Großjohann
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-02-18 8:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
Mattias Ahnberg <mattias@ahnberg.pp.se> writes:
> I've recently started receiving e-mails from more and more people
> using iso-8859-15, it seems like my Gnus can't understand them
> with my current setup.
>
> All åäö's (for example) (swedish aao with dots over them) just
> appears as ? in the e-mails.
The question marks appear on a terminal if the terminal can't display
the character in question. For a tty, you can use latin1-disp.el
(which is wrongly named, I think) to display characters from various
charsets.
Or is this under X11?
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