* disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" @ 2019-05-13 1:19 Emanuel Berg 2019-05-13 3:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2019-05-16 6:52 ` Christian Barthel 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-13 1:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding I get this question every second or third mail I send. URLs are long today. An example from a gmane.emacs.help thread post I just posted is https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/how-to-edit-crontab-directly-within-emacs-when-i-already-have-emacs-open Col 120! So it it by a safe margin (indeed, 41 chars, or >150%) one can say that the 79 char warning limit is exaggerated... So how can I disable that question and always "really post"? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-13 1:19 disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-13 3:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2019-05-13 5:31 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-05-16 6:52 ` Christian Barthel 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-13 3:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > I get this question every second or third mail > I send. URLs are long today. An example from > a gmane.emacs.help thread post I just posted is > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/how-to-edit-crontab-directly-within-emacs-when-i-already-have-emacs-open > > Col 120! So it it by a safe margin (indeed, 41 > chars, or >150%) one can say that the 79 char > warning limit is exaggerated... > > So how can I disable that question and always > "really post"? Check the docstring (or Message info manual) for `message-syntax-checks'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-13 3:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-13 5:31 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-05-13 5:45 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-13 5:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/how-to-edit-crontab-directly-within-emacs-when-i-already-have-emacs-open > > Check the docstring (or Message info manual) > for `message-syntax-checks'. OK, thanks, that should do it. I keep the URL to test it. (add-to-list 'message-syntax-checks '(long-lines . disabled)) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-13 5:31 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-13 5:45 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-13 5:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding > OK, thanks, that should do it. I keep the URL > to test it. > > (add-to-list 'message-syntax-checks '(long-lines . disabled)) Yes, that worked. Great :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-13 1:19 disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" Emanuel Berg 2019-05-13 3:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-16 6:52 ` Christian Barthel 2019-05-16 16:48 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2019-05-16 22:36 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Christian Barthel @ 2019-05-16 6:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Emanuel Berg; +Cc: ding Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > I get this question every second or third mail > I send. URLs are long today. true. > An example from a gmane.emacs.help thread post > I just posted is > Personally, I prefer breaking the URL at the "natural" line length and use the Gnus "unsplit URL" (W u) to bring them back in full length and click on it. The URL would become something like that: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/ how-to-edit-crontab-directly-within-emacs-when- i-already-have-emacs-open An alternative approach that I do sometimes is to use my own url shortener service and post that instead. I always write the Content-Type, Size and origin below the URL. > Col 120! So it it by a safe margin (indeed, 41 > chars, or >150%) one can say that the 79 char > warning limit is exaggerated... Out of curiosity, how did you come up with your line length of being somewhere below 50 chars? [..] -- Christian Barthel <bch@online.de> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-16 6:52 ` Christian Barthel @ 2019-05-16 16:48 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2019-05-16 18:25 ` Andreas Schwab 2019-05-16 22:36 ` Emanuel Berg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-16 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Christian Barthel <bch@online.de> writes: > Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > >> I get this question every second or third mail >> I send. URLs are long today. > > true. > >> An example from a gmane.emacs.help thread post >> I just posted is >> > > Personally, I prefer breaking the URL at the "natural" > line length and use the Gnus "unsplit URL" (W u) to > bring them back in full length and click on it. > > The URL would become something like that: > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/how-to-edit-crontab-directly-within-emacs-when- > i-already-have-emacs-open Unfortunately, when I hit "W u" and unwrap that URL, it also removes the button widget from it, so I can no longer reach it with TAB. Does that happen for everyone else? Seems like a bug. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-16 16:48 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-16 18:25 ` Andreas Schwab 2019-05-16 18:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andreas Schwab @ 2019-05-16 18:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: ding On Mai 16 2019, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > Unfortunately, when I hit "W u" and unwrap that URL, it also removes the > button widget from it, so I can no longer reach it with TAB. Does that > happen for everyone else? Seems like a bug. W b Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-16 18:25 ` Andreas Schwab @ 2019-05-16 18:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-16 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: ding Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes: > On Mai 16 2019, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > >> Unfortunately, when I hit "W u" and unwrap that URL, it also removes the >> button widget from it, so I can no longer reach it with TAB. Does that >> happen for everyone else? Seems like a bug. > > W b Well sure, but if `gnus-treat-buttonize' is non-nil, shouldn't it do that automatically? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-16 6:52 ` Christian Barthel 2019-05-16 16:48 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-16 22:36 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-05-16 23:05 ` (where) is ding@gnus.org archived? (was: Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y") Emanuel Berg ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-16 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Christian Barthel wrote: Well, hello there bch :) So it worked out at last! Great job :) > Personally, I prefer breaking the URL at the > "natural" line length and use the Gnus > "unsplit URL" (W u) to bring them back in > full length and click on it. Yeah, but strange as it sounds, not everyone uses Gnus, and also, that doesn't work on the web archives which people browse with ordinary browsers, often not even using a traditional computer but a smartphone or tablet of some sort. > The URL would become something like that: > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/ > how-to-edit-crontab-directly-within-emacs-when- > i-already-have-emacs-open > > An alternative approach that I do sometimes > is to use my own url shortener service and > post that instead. I always write the > Content-Type, Size and origin below the URL. Hm, I'm not following 100%... how does that work/look? >> Col 120! So it it by a safe margin (indeed, >> 41 chars, or >150%) one can say that the 79 >> char warning limit is exaggerated... > > Out of curiosity, how did you come up with > your line length of being somewhere below > 50 chars? You mean the `fill-column'? It is 47, so good estimate. So, how did I come up with that? Well, I use a projector and Emacs in a Linux VT with the font settings [1] at FONTFACE="TerminusBold" FONTSIZE="8x16" SCREEN_HEIGHT=26 SCREEN_WIDTH=72 Here is a screenshot how it looks [2] On the projector image on the wall, it corresponds to a line width of (let me get my folding rule) ~126cm (or ~49.5 inches) which I think is just right. Any questions? :) [1] https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/vt/console-setup [2] https://dataswamp.org/~incal/figures/gnus/gnus-post.png -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* (where) is ding@gnus.org archived? (was: Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y") 2019-05-16 22:36 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-16 23:05 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-05-17 1:25 ` disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" Eric Abrahamsen 2019-05-17 6:33 ` Christian Barthel 2 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-16 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding > Yeah, but strange as it sounds, not everyone > uses Gnus, and also, that doesn't work on the > web archives which people browse with > ordinary browsers, often not even using > a traditional computer but a smartphone or > tablet of some sort. I was going to demonstrate this by providing a link to the archived message. But (where) is ding@gnus.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general archived? In the header, it says Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88575> This I've tried before, and it doesn't seem to work anywhere, and not here either. [1] But actually, there is no mention of this list/NG being archived anywhere, if you read/look on the usual/probable places! [2] [3] [4] Is it actually _not_ archived on the web? [1] Cannot retrieve URL: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88575 522 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Error 522 Ray ID: 4d80f3d06abd75c8 • 2019-05-16 22:58:16 UTC Connection timed out [2] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/ [3] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/ [4] https://www.gnus.org/resources.html -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-16 22:36 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-05-16 23:05 ` (where) is ding@gnus.org archived? (was: Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y") Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-17 1:25 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2019-05-17 2:02 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-05-17 6:33 ` Christian Barthel 2 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-17 1:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > Christian Barthel wrote: > > Well, hello there bch :) So it worked out at > last! Great job :) > >> Personally, I prefer breaking the URL at the >> "natural" line length and use the Gnus >> "unsplit URL" (W u) to bring them back in >> full length and click on it. > > Yeah, but strange as it sounds, not everyone > uses Gnus, and also, that doesn't work on the > web archives which people browse with ordinary > browsers, often not even using a traditional > computer but a smartphone or tablet of > some sort. > >> The URL would become something like that: >> >> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/ >> how-to-edit-crontab-directly-within-emacs-when- >> i-already-have-emacs-open >> >> An alternative approach that I do sometimes >> is to use my own url shortener service and >> post that instead. I always write the >> Content-Type, Size and origin below the URL. > > Hm, I'm not following 100%... how does that > work/look? > >>> Col 120! So it it by a safe margin (indeed, >>> 41 chars, or >150%) one can say that the 79 >>> char warning limit is exaggerated... >> >> Out of curiosity, how did you come up with >> your line length of being somewhere below >> 50 chars? > > You mean the `fill-column'? It is 47, so good > estimate. So, how did I come up with that? > Well, I use a projector and Emacs in a Linux VT > with the font settings [1] at > > FONTFACE="TerminusBold" > FONTSIZE="8x16" > SCREEN_HEIGHT=26 > SCREEN_WIDTH=72 > > Here is a screenshot how it looks [2] > > On the projector image on the wall, it > corresponds to a line width of (let me get my > folding rule) ~126cm (or ~49.5 inches) which > I think is just right. > > Any questions? :) Wow, that's your usual interface to Emacs? A projector on the wall? Respect... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-17 1:25 ` disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-17 2:02 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-17 2:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Wow, that's your usual interface to Emacs? > A projector on the wall? Respect... It is awesome. Good posture. Less eye strain. Drawback: The resolution! In X, I have 576x416! But there are much better (and more expensive) projectors nowadays... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-16 22:36 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-05-16 23:05 ` (where) is ding@gnus.org archived? (was: Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y") Emanuel Berg 2019-05-17 1:25 ` disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" Eric Abrahamsen @ 2019-05-17 6:33 ` Christian Barthel 2019-05-18 17:10 ` Emanuel Berg 2 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Christian Barthel @ 2019-05-17 6:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: moasenwood; +Cc: ding Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > Christian Barthel wrote: > > Well, hello there bch :) So it worked out at > last! Great job :) Sort of.. I just CC:'ed ding@gnus.org and it looks like the post finally pops up here. (I added your mail in the To: header because I wasn't sure if that would work or will be rejected). I guess that I won't be able to post to other groups where authentication is a required thing. > Yeah, but strange as it sounds, not everyone > uses Gnus, and also, that doesn't work on the > web archives which people browse with ordinary > browsers, often not even using a traditional > computer but a smartphone or tablet of > some sort. Yes, that's true. >> The URL would become something like that: >> >> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/ >> how-to-edit-crontab-directly-within-emacs-when- >> i-already-have-emacs-open >> >> An alternative approach that I do sometimes >> is to use my own url shortener service and >> post that instead. I always write the >> Content-Type, Size and origin below the URL. > > Hm, I'm not following 100%... how does that > work/look? Something like: https://bit.ly/2VOza3S (Short-URL to emacs.stackexchange.com, Title: How to edit crontab directly within emacs when I already have emacs open?, Estimated Size: 200k) The drawback of this is that you have to go through another service like bit.ly (or create your own) - but nevertheless, there will be one redirect on the URL consumer side. In the case of stack*-.com pages, you can also strip off the title because the number encodes the article already. This would work, too: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/ Depending on the configuration, website, content management system etc. other such combinations are possible. [..] > Well, I use a projector and Emacs in a Linux VT > with the font settings [1] at > > FONTFACE="TerminusBold" > FONTSIZE="8x16" > SCREEN_HEIGHT=26 > SCREEN_WIDTH=72 > > Here is a screenshot how it looks [2] > > On the projector image on the wall, it > corresponds to a line width of (let me get my > folding rule) ~126cm (or ~49.5 inches) which > I think is just right. > > Any questions? :) Nice setup, indeed. -- Christian Barthel <bch@online.de> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-17 6:33 ` Christian Barthel @ 2019-05-18 17:10 ` Emanuel Berg 2019-05-22 17:08 ` Christian Barthel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-18 17:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Christian Barthel wrote: >> Hm, I'm not following 100%... how does that >> work/look? > > Something like: https://bit.ly/2VOza3S > (Short-URL to emacs.stackexchange.com, Title: > How to edit crontab directly within emacs > when I already have emacs open?, Estimated > Size: 200k) > > The drawback of this is that you have to go > through another service like bit.ly (or > create your own) - but nevertheless, there > will be one redirect on the URL > consumer side. > > In the case of stack*-.com pages, you can > also strip off the title because the number > encodes the article already. This would work, > too: > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/10077/ > > Depending on the configuration, website, > content management system etc. other such > combinations are possible. OK, but what is the problem to begin with? Why is it incorrect or disencouraged to send URLs which are longer than 79 chars? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-18 17:10 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-22 17:08 ` Christian Barthel 2019-05-27 20:53 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Christian Barthel @ 2019-05-22 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Emanuel Berg; +Cc: ding Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes: > OK, but what is the problem to begin with? Many mailinglists and newsgroups have rules that state that lines shouldn't be longer than 80 chars or even smaller. The OpenBSD mailinglist rule for example, looks like [1]: | Plain text, 72 characters per line | Many subscribers and developers read their mail on | text-based mailers like mail(1), emacs or mutt, and they | often find HTML-formatted messages (or lines that stretch | beyond 72 characters) unreadable. The EmacsWiki [2] states something similar and for written sentences, there is some argumentation why it's a useful line length. But I guess whether this applies to URLs is a different matter (because you don't read urls like a sentence). Anyway, I trust Gnus and stick with that limit :-) [1] https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html [2] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EightyColumnRule -- Christian Barthel <bch@online.de> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: disable "You have lines longer than 79 characters. Really post? (y or n) y" 2019-05-22 17:08 ` Christian Barthel @ 2019-05-27 20:53 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2019-05-27 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Christian Barthel wrote: >> OK, but what is the problem to begin with? > > Many mailinglists and newsgroups have rules > that state that lines shouldn't be longer > than 80 chars or even smaller. The OpenBSD > mailinglist rule for example, looks like [1]: > > | Plain text, 72 characters per line Many > | subscribers and developers read their mail on > | text-based mailers like mail(1), emacs or > | mutt, and they often find HTML-formatted > | messages (or lines that stretch beyond 72 > | characters) unreadable. > > The EmacsWiki [2] states something similar > and for written sentences, there is some > argumentation why it's a useful line length. HTML-formatted messages I don't like, but you can get away with them like this - I think! I don't remember what exactly do what anymore :$ ;;; HTML and NON-ASCII (setq gnus-inhibit-images t) (setq gnus-inhibit-mime-unbuttonizing nil) (setq mm-discouraged-alternatives '("text/html" "text/richtext")) (setq mm-text-html-renderer 'w3m) The second-last line and the last seems to contradict each other... :) As for the line length, I think that is some relic from time passed. I might be wrong tho? Anyway when I see a mail with to long lines to the point that it disturbs me, I do `gnus-article-fill-cited-article'. This ruins pretty code and ASCII art, so sometimes I have to go back and forth. For plain text tho it works well in my experience. Just some random thoughts :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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