authentication method fails

authentication method fails

[Emanuel Berg]

I got an e-mail saying the traditional Gnus
setup with `gnus-select-method' and
`gnus-secondary-select-methods' does
not work for certain mail servers.

    Sadly, it's not working. I tried this a few
    times before and the error message
    indicates, that my mail server does not
    support the authentication method:

        Couldn't send message via news: 441 You need a
        valid email address to post: Invalid response from
        SMTP server mx01.emig.kundenserver.de:
        554-kundenserver.de (mxeue112) Nemesis ESMTP
        Service not available.

    (the mail address i am using is an
    @online.de)

I don't know nothing about online.de but
I never heard of anyone having this issue
before? Is it common, and is there
a workaround?

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Re: authentication method fails

[Emanuel Berg]

Florian Weimer wrote:

> This doesn't add up. The error message
> suggests that the Gnus mail setup is
> incorrect. That's not really related to
> Gmane; I'd expect that sending any mail would
> fail under these circumstances.

[EB: Got this as mail from they guy]

Here is a minimal configuration of .gnus and
.emacs. Passwords are stored in .authinfo and
it is possible to send mails but it is not
possible to authenticate against Gmane
(attached is an error message with this setup):

[EB: The error message says: Couldn't send
     message via news: 441. You need a valid
     email address to post: Invalid response
     from STMP server ... : ... (...) Nemesis
     ESMTP Service not available]

; .gnus
; (email and username have been replaced with placeholders)
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnml ""))
(setq
  smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.1und1.de"
  smtpmail-smtp-service 587
  user-mail-address "mail@address"
      user-full-name "my name")

(setq nnmail-split-methods
      '(("mail.gnus" "Subject:.*gnus.*")
        ("mail" "")))

(setq mail-sources
      '((pop :server "pop.1und1.de"
             :port 995
             :user "mail@address"
             :stream ssl)))

; .emacs
(custom-set-variables
  '(send-mail-function (quote smtpmail-send-it)))

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Re: authentication method fails

[Emanuel Berg]

Florian Weimer wrote:

>> I got a mail where he wrote:
>>
>>     I've checked gmane authentication with
>>     another account and it works there.
>>     To sum it up: the authentication fails
>>     because my mail provider doesn't support
>>     (or don't want to support) the
>>     authentication method that is used by
>>     gmane. I haven't looked into the
>>     technical details; i guess some newer
>>     ESMTP command is not allowed on the
>>     SMTP server.
>>
>> Hm... is that one or two reasons why it
>> doesn't work?
>
> This doesn't add up. The error message
> suggests that the Gnus mail setup is
> incorrect. That's not really related to
> Gmane; I'd expect that sending any mail would
> fail under these circumstances.

Alright, in what way do you suspect Gnus mail
is incorrectly setup?

Or, do you, or anyone else, have a "minimal
working Gnus setup", for him to try?

He writes that "I've checked Gmane
authentication with another account and it
works there". To me, that sounds like he used
the same setup, only changed the "account" or
e-mail, but obviously I can't know for sure.

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Re: authentication method fails

[Florian Weimer]

* Emanuel Berg:

> Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>> It's common to use network boundary
>> authentication for SMTP, so on some networks,
>> no configuration is necessary to use the
>> smarthosts for that network. The 1&1 mail
>> servers are not in this category, at least
>> not for customers on external networks.
>
> I got a mail where he wrote:
>
>     I've checked gmane authentication with
>     another account and it works there. To sum
>     it up: the authentication fails because my
>     mail provider doesn't support (or don't
>     want to support) the authentication method
>     that is used by gmane. I haven't looked
>     into the technical details; i guess some
>     newer ESMTP command is not allowed on the
>     SMTP server.
>
> Hm... is that one or two reasons why it
> doesn't work?

This doesn't add up.  The error message suggests that the Gnus mail
setup is incorrect.  That's not really related to Gmane; I'd expect
that sending any mail would fail under these circumstances.

Re: authentication method fails

[Emanuel Berg]

Florian Weimer wrote:

> It's common to use network boundary
> authentication for SMTP, so on some networks,
> no configuration is necessary to use the
> smarthosts for that network. The 1&1 mail
> servers are not in this category, at least
> not for customers on external networks.

I got a mail where he wrote:

    I've checked gmane authentication with
    another account and it works there. To sum
    it up: the authentication fails because my
    mail provider doesn't support (or don't
    want to support) the authentication method
    that is used by gmane. I haven't looked
    into the technical details; i guess some
    newer ESMTP command is not allowed on the
    SMTP server.

Hm... is that one or two reasons why it
doesn't work?

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Re: authentication method fails

[Emanuel Berg]

Florian Weimer wrote:

> Wasn't the message injected over Gmane,
> via NNTP?

OK, see your point.

>> I set the SMTP port
>> (`smtpmail-smtp-service') to 587 witch is
>> the one for starttls, if that's what
>> you mean?
>
> There are no Received: headers in your
> message which indicate how authentication was
> performed, if it was even submitted
> over SMTP.
>
> It's common to use network boundary
> authentication for SMTP, so on some networks,
> no configuration is necessary to use the
> smarthosts for that network. The 1&1 mail
> servers are not in this category, at least
> not for customers on external networks.

OK, I CC this to him, perhaps this is
the reason.

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Re: authentication method fails

[Florian Weimer]

* Emanuel Berg:

> Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>>> I got an e-mail saying the traditional Gnus
>>> setup with `gnus-select-method' and
>>> `gnus-secondary-select-methods' does not work
>>> for certain mail servers.
>>> 
>>>    Sadly, it's not working. I tried this
>>>    a few times before and the error message
>>>    indicates, that my mail server does not
>>>    support the authentication method:
>>>    Couldn't send message via news: 441 You
>>>    need a valid email address to post:
>>>    Invalid response from SMTP server
>>>    mx01.emig.kundenserver.de:
>>>    554-kundenserver.de (mxeue112) Nemesis
>>>    ESMTP Service not available. (the mail
>>>    address i am using is an @online.de)
>>>
>>> I don't know nothing about online.de but
>>> I never heard of anyone having this issue
>>> before? Is it common, and is there
>>> a workaround?
>>
>> This looks like an SMTP error message to me.
>> Has the user configured SMTP authentication
>> at all?
>
> I don't know, and I don't know if I did that
> either, but it sure works for me, as you
> can see.

Wasn't the message injected over Gmane, via NNTP?

> I set the SMTP port (`smtpmail-smtp-service')
> to 587 witch is the one for starttls, if that's
> what you mean?

There are no Received: headers in your message which indicate how
authentication was performed, if it was even submitted over SMTP.

It's common to use network boundary authentication for SMTP, so on
some networks, no configuration is necessary to use the smarthosts for
that network.  The 1&1 mail servers are not in this category, at least
not for customers on external networks.

Re: authentication method fails

[Emanuel Berg]

Florian Weimer wrote:

>> I got an e-mail saying the traditional Gnus
>> setup with `gnus-select-method' and
>> `gnus-secondary-select-methods' does not work
>> for certain mail servers.
>> 
>>    Sadly, it's not working. I tried this
>>    a few times before and the error message
>>    indicates, that my mail server does not
>>    support the authentication method:
>>    Couldn't send message via news: 441 You
>>    need a valid email address to post:
>>    Invalid response from SMTP server
>>    mx01.emig.kundenserver.de:
>>    554-kundenserver.de (mxeue112) Nemesis
>>    ESMTP Service not available. (the mail
>>    address i am using is an @online.de)
>>
>> I don't know nothing about online.de but
>> I never heard of anyone having this issue
>> before? Is it common, and is there
>> a workaround?
>
> This looks like an SMTP error message to me.
> Has the user configured SMTP authentication
> at all?

I don't know, and I don't know if I did that
either, but it sure works for me, as you
can see.

I set the SMTP port (`smtpmail-smtp-service')
to 587 witch is the one for starttls, if that's
what you mean?

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Re: authentication method fails

[Florian Weimer]

* Emanuel Berg:

> I got an e-mail saying the traditional Gnus
> setup with `gnus-select-method' and
> `gnus-secondary-select-methods' does not work
> for certain mail servers.
>
>     Sadly, it's not working. I tried this a few
>     times before and the error message
>     indicates, that my mail server does not
>     support the authentication method:
>
>         Couldn't send message via news: 441 You need a
>         valid email address to post: Invalid response from
>         SMTP server mx01.emig.kundenserver.de:
>         554-kundenserver.de (mxeue112) Nemesis ESMTP
>         Service not available.
>
>     (the mail address i am using is an
>     @online.de)
>
> I don't know nothing about online.de but
> I never heard of anyone having this issue
> before? Is it common, and is there
> a workaround?

This looks like an SMTP error message to me.  Has the user configured
SMTP authentication at all?

authentication method fails

[Emanuel Berg]

I got an e-mail saying the traditional Gnus
setup with `gnus-select-method' and
`gnus-secondary-select-methods' does not work
for certain mail servers.

    Sadly, it's not working. I tried this a few
    times before and the error message
    indicates, that my mail server does not
    support the authentication method:

        Couldn't send message via news: 441 You need a
        valid email address to post: Invalid response from
        SMTP server mx01.emig.kundenserver.de:
        554-kundenserver.de (mxeue112) Nemesis ESMTP
        Service not available.

    (the mail address i am using is an
    @online.de)

I don't know nothing about online.de but
I never heard of anyone having this issue
before? Is it common, and is there
a workaround?

-- 
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