* gnus-group-customize seems to fail
@ 2018-03-08 8:47 Uwe Brauer
2018-03-09 0:19 ` Tim Landscheidt
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From: Uwe Brauer @ 2018-03-08 8:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Hi
my normal setting for replying mail is as follows:
'(sc-citation-leader " ") '(sc-reference-tag-string ">>> ")
'(message-yank-cited-prefix " > ") '(message-yank-prefix " >
")
now in a specific group I want to delete the empty space before
">"
So I run gnus-group-customize
and set
Variables:
Set variables local to the group you are entering.
More
INS DEL Variable: sc-citation-leader
Value: ""
INS DEL Variable: message-yank-prefix
Value: ">"
INS DEL Variable: message-yank-cited-prefix
Value: ">"
INS
But now effect! The original setting was not overwritten.
What do I miss?
Regards
Uwe Brauer
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-08 8:47 gnus-group-customize seems to fail Uwe Brauer
@ 2018-03-09 0:19 ` Tim Landscheidt
2018-03-19 15:43 ` Uwe Brauer
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From: Tim Landscheidt @ 2018-03-09 0:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> wrote:
> my normal setting for replying mail is as follows:
> '(sc-citation-leader " ") '(sc-reference-tag-string ">>>
> ") '(message-yank-cited-prefix " > ")
> '(message-yank-prefix " > ")
> now in a specific group I want to delete the empty space
> before ">"
> So I run gnus-group-customize
> and set
> Variables: Set variables local to the group you are
> entering. More INS DEL Variable: sc-citation-leader
> Value: "" INS DEL Variable: message-yank-prefix
> Value: ">" INS DEL Variable: message-yank-cited-prefix
> Value: ">" INS
> But now effect! The original setting was not overwritten.
> What do I miss?
I believe you ran into https://debbugs.gnu.org/26105 ("Group
parameters can't set non-list values"). I don't see an easy
way to work around that for your use case.
Tim
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-09 0:19 ` Tim Landscheidt
@ 2018-03-19 15:43 ` Uwe Brauer
2018-03-19 17:02 ` Eric S Fraga
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Uwe Brauer @ 2018-03-19 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> wrote:
> I believe you ran into https://debbugs.gnu.org/26105 ("Group
> parameters can't set non-list values"). I don't see an easy
> way to work around that for your use case.
I found out that just the variable sc-citation-leader I have to change.
Now in the summary buffer describe-variable returns
,----
| is a variable defined in ‘supercite.el’.
| Its value is ""
| Original value was " "
| Local in buffer *Summary nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.comp.tex.german*; global value is " "
`----
So far so good, but when I press reply or followup, the global setting
is used, which is not what I want. Is this really the same bug you
describe? It seems that in your case there is a workaround. Is there
also one in mine?
Thanks
Uwe Brauer
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-19 15:43 ` Uwe Brauer
@ 2018-03-19 17:02 ` Eric S Fraga
2018-03-21 9:02 ` Uwe Brauer
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From: Eric S Fraga @ 2018-03-19 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
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On Monday, 19 Mar 2018 at 16:43, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> I found out that just the variable sc-citation-leader I have to change.
> ,----
> | is a variable defined in ‘supercite.el’.
> | Its value is ""
> | Original value was " "
> | Local in buffer *Summary nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.comp.tex.german*;
> global value is " "
> `----
>
> So far so good, but when I press reply or followup, the global setting
> is used, which is not what I want. Is this really the same bug you
> describe? It seems that in your case there is a workaround. Is there
> also one in mine?
Maybe I misunderstand something here but sc-citation-leader is local to
the summary buffer so its value will not propagate to a message buffer?
I.e. not a bug.
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Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.7 on Debian buster/sid
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-19 17:02 ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2018-03-21 9:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2018-03-21 9:58 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-03-21 12:07 ` Eric S Fraga
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From: Uwe Brauer @ 2018-03-21 9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
> On Monday, 19 Mar 2018 at 16:43, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> Maybe I misunderstand something here but sc-citation-leader is local to
> the summary buffer so its value will not propagate to a message buffer?
> I.e. not a bug.
Well but how can I then pass that variable to the message buffer, but
only groupwise?
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-21 9:02 ` Uwe Brauer
@ 2018-03-21 9:58 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-03-21 10:46 ` Uwe Brauer
2018-03-21 12:07 ` Eric S Fraga
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2018-03-21 9:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
> > On Monday, 19 Mar 2018 at 16:43, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>
> > Maybe I misunderstand something here but sc-citation-leader is local to
> > the summary buffer so its value will not propagate to a message buffer?
> > I.e. not a bug.
>
> Well but how can I then pass that variable to the message buffer, but
> only groupwise?
I suppose with posting styles?
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-21 9:58 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2018-03-21 10:46 ` Uwe Brauer
2018-03-21 10:52 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-03-21 17:57 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Uwe Brauer @ 2018-03-21 10:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
>>> "Eric" == Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>> > On Monday, 19 Mar 2018 at 16:43, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe I misunderstand something here but sc-citation-leader is local to
>> > the summary buffer so its value will not propagate to a message buffer?
>> > I.e. not a bug.
>>
>> Well but how can I then pass that variable to the message buffer, but
>> only groupwise?
> I suppose with posting styles?
I tried
("gmane.emacs.gnus.general"
(header "Newsgroups" "gmane.emacs.gnus.general")
(setq sc-citation-leader ""))
But it does not help
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-21 10:46 ` Uwe Brauer
@ 2018-03-21 10:52 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-03-21 17:57 ` Andreas Schwab
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2018-03-21 10:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>>>> "Eric" == Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
> > Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
> >> > On Monday, 19 Mar 2018 at 16:43, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> >>
> >> > Maybe I misunderstand something here but sc-citation-leader is local to
> >> > the summary buffer so its value will not propagate to a message buffer?
> >> > I.e. not a bug.
> >>
> >> Well but how can I then pass that variable to the message buffer, but
> >> only groupwise?
>
> > I suppose with posting styles?
>
>
> I tried
>
> ("gmane.emacs.gnus.general"
> (header "Newsgroups" "gmane.emacs.gnus.general")
> (setq sc-citation-leader ""))
>
> But it does not help
Oops, sorry! I thought you could set arbitrary variables as part of
posting styles, but it look like I was hallucinating. Sorry about the
misdirection...
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-21 9:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2018-03-21 9:58 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2018-03-21 12:07 ` Eric S Fraga
2018-03-21 16:19 ` Uwe Brauer
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2018-03-21 12:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
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On Wednesday, 21 Mar 2018 at 10:02, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> > On Monday, 19 Mar 2018 at 16:43, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>
> > Maybe I misunderstand something here but sc-citation-leader is local to
> > the summary buffer so its value will not propagate to a message buffer?
> > I.e. not a bug.
>
> Well but how can I then pass that variable to the message buffer, but
> only groupwise?
Maybe look at the message package, not gnus, as message is responsible
for composing emails? For instance, you could put some code in
message-header-setup-hook which sets the variables you want depending on
the contents of the message header?
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Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.7 on Debian buster/sid
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-21 12:07 ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2018-03-21 16:19 ` Uwe Brauer
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Uwe Brauer @ 2018-03-21 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
>>> "Eric" == Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
> On Wednesday, 21 Mar 2018 at 10:02, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>> > On Monday, 19 Mar 2018 at 16:43, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe I misunderstand something here but sc-citation-leader is local to
>> > the summary buffer so its value will not propagate to a message buffer?
>> > I.e. not a bug.
>>
>> Well but how can I then pass that variable to the message buffer, but
>> only groupwise?
> Maybe look at the message package, not gnus, as message is responsible
> for composing emails? For instance, you could put some code in
> message-header-setup-hook which sets the variables you want depending on
> the contents of the message header?
I found a workaround with bbdb, so for a particular recipient I set that
variable to nil. So far so good.
But then in the sending hook I need a function which resets the variable
to my standard setting. This is for sure a kludge but I don't know how
to do better.
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-21 10:46 ` Uwe Brauer
2018-03-21 10:52 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2018-03-21 17:57 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-03-21 18:31 ` Uwe Brauer
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2018-03-21 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Mär 21 2018, Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> wrote:
> ("gmane.emacs.gnus.general"
> (header "Newsgroups" "gmane.emacs.gnus.general")
> (setq sc-citation-leader ""))
Try (eval (set (make-local-variable 'sc-citation-leader) "")).
Andreas.
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* Re: gnus-group-customize seems to fail
2018-03-21 17:57 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2018-03-21 18:31 ` Uwe Brauer
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Uwe Brauer @ 2018-03-21 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
> On Mär 21 2018, Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> wrote:
>> ("gmane.emacs.gnus.general"
>> (header "Newsgroups" "gmane.emacs.gnus.general")
>> (setq sc-citation-leader ""))
> Try (eval (set (make-local-variable 'sc-citation-leader) "")).
Aha, that works! Thanks, I will never understand that difference in the
settings. So I can undo my .bbdb solution, which was cumbersome anyhow.
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