How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Chris Marusich]

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Hi,

Sometimes in Gnus, I'll view an email thread that contains more than one
email message to which I want to reply.  To do this, I press # to mark
the messages to which I want to reply, and then I invoke
gnus-summary-wide-reply-with-original to draft a wide reply with the
original text.

However, when I do that, I've noticed that Gnus doesn't populate the To
or Cc headers with every author of every marked email message.  Instead,
Gnus seems to insert into the To field only the author of the first
message that I marked.  I'd like it if Gnus would include every author
(i.e., the person listed in the From header) in the To header when I do
this.  How can I make Gnus do that?

Thank you,

-- 
Chris

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Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Chris writes:

> I'd like it if Gnus would include every author (i.e., the person
> listed in the From header) in the To header when I do this. How can I
> make Gnus do that?

I think the "very wide reply" is what you are looking for (S V instead
of S W)?

It does use both To: and Cc:, though.


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Chris Marusich]

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Hi Adam,

Thank you for the quick reply!

Adam Sjøgren <asjo@koldfront.dk> writes:

>> I'd like it if Gnus would include every author (i.e., the person
>> listed in the From header) in the To header when I do this. How can I
>> make Gnus do that?
>
> I think the "very wide reply" is what you are looking for (S V instead
> of S W)?

When I use "S V", it does insert authors in the To and Cc headers.
However, it also duplicates the Subject many times.  For example, a
subject of

"Re: Marks added in nnir search buffers don't propagate to the actual
groups?"

will become

"Re: Marks added in nnir search buffers don't propagate to the actual
groups?, Re: Marks added in nnir search buffers don't propagate to the
actual groups?"

Is there a way to avoid that, when all the messages to which I am
replying share the same subject?

-- 
Chris

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Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Alexandre Garreau]

This is a feature I’ve been using quite much, and I’d like its behavior
to be more logical toward redundancy of subjects too.

Btw, thanks for S V (didn’t know about it, I thought it would be the
default)!

Some (non-standard, I guess) feature I always wanted is true multiple
reply for emails: like, multiple message-ids in the in-reply-to, and
merging the references of all messages you reply too.  That way
threading becomes a true graph…

I did that some times, rarely.  The worse that happenned until now is
people interpreting it as thread stealing (though I changed the subject,
used Was:, and both subjects and messages were mine).  Would that break
a lot of clients?  How far would that go away from current standards (do
you believe a such thing could become standard one day?)?

I’d love to begin doing that and then making up some interface within
Summary that would display it graph-like like in git :D

Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Alexandre writes:

> This is a feature I’ve been using quite much, and I’d like its behavior
> to be more logical toward redundancy of subjects too.

I guess Gnus should just deduplicate the subjects?

I only tried S V on articles with different subjects, so I didn't notice
the effect.

> Some (non-standard, I guess) feature I always wanted is true multiple
> reply for emails: like, multiple message-ids in the in-reply-to,

That's what the spec says:

   The "In-Reply-To:" field may be used to identify the message (or
   messages) to which the new message is a reply, while the
   "References:" field may be used to identify a "thread" of
   conversation.

    - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt section 3.6.4

But Gnus only includes the first marked email in In-Reply-To. That
sounds like a bug to be, in S V.

> and merging the references of all messages you reply too.

I think S V does that - at least it did in my test.

> The worse that happenned until now is people interpreting it as thread
> stealing (though I changed the subject, used Was:, and both subjects
> and messages were mine).

(Why would you want the new article connected to the previous thread, if
you changed the subject?)

> I’d love to begin doing that and then making up some interface within
> Summary that would display it graph-like like in git :D

I think I've seen something like that decades ago? Yeah:

 · http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_55.html#Tree-Display


  Best regards,

    Adam

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 "Darn tootin'"                                               Adam Sjøgren
                                                         asjo@koldfront.dk

Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Alexandre Garreau]

Le 09/12/2018 à 13h07, Adam Sjøgren a écrit :
> Alexandre writes:
>
>> This is a feature I’ve been using quite much, and I’d like its behavior
>> to be more logical toward redundancy of subjects too.
>
> I guess Gnus should just deduplicate the subjects?
>
> I only tried S V on articles with different subjects, so I didn't notice
> the effect.
>
>> Some (non-standard, I guess) feature I always wanted is true multiple
>> reply for emails: like, multiple message-ids in the in-reply-to,
>
> That's what the spec says:
>
>    The "In-Reply-To:" field may be used to identify the message (or
>    messages) to which the new message is a reply, while the
>    "References:" field may be used to identify a "thread" of
>    conversation.
>
>     - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt section 3.6.4

Oh wonderful! I must have missed it last time (or forgot it?)

> But Gnus only includes the first marked email in In-Reply-To. That
> sounds like a bug to be, in S V.

Yes.

>> and merging the references of all messages you reply too.
>
> I think S V does that - at least it did in my test.
>
>> The worse that happenned until now is people interpreting it as thread
>> stealing (though I changed the subject, used Was:, and both subjects
>> and messages were mine).
>
> (Why would you want the new article connected to the previous thread, if
> you changed the subject?)

Did you never saw a subject change in the middle of a thread? that way
involved people still see it’s the contitnuation of what they were
speaking about, while people non-involved in the conversation, depending
on the subject, will be able to decide if they’d better ignore it to
focus on the main topic, or join the new thread (that originated from
the first).

But I heard of some clients (gmail…) that had problems wit that.  Like
they use subject instead of in-reply-to and references to build threads…

>> I’d love to begin doing that and then making up some interface within
>> Summary that would display it graph-like like in git :D
>
> I think I've seen something like that decades ago? Yeah:
>
>  · http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_55.html#Tree-Display

How wait indeed that might be used to display a graph… but does it do by
default? I recall tried once successfully (without looking at if it
could display graphs)… but setting gnus-use-trees to t doesn’t change
anything now…  what should I look at?

Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Alexandre Garreau]

On 2018/12/09 at 14:17, Alexandre Garreau wrote:
> How wait indeed that might be used to display a graph… but does it do by
> default? I recall tried once successfully (without looking at if it
> could display graphs)… but setting gnus-use-trees to t doesn’t change
> anything now…  what should I look at?

Ok, fixed, the tree only display when reading an article!

Doesn’t seem to display graphs, sadly :/

Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Alexandre writes:

>>> The worse that happenned until now is people interpreting it as thread
>>> stealing (though I changed the subject, used Was:, and both subjects
>>> and messages were mine).
>>
>> (Why would you want the new article connected to the previous thread, if
>> you changed the subject?)
>
> Did you never saw a subject change in the middle of a thread?

Sure, but if people accused you of hi-jacking the thread, I guess they
disagreed with you connecting the discussions?

>>  · http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_55.html#Tree-Display
>
> How wait indeed that might be used to display a graph… but does it do by
> default? I recall tried once successfully (without looking at if it
> could display graphs)… but setting gnus-use-trees to t doesn’t change
> anything now…  what should I look at?

There is an example configuration at the bottom of the manual page
linked above.


  Best regards,

    Adam

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                                                         asjo@koldfront.dk

Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Alexandre writes:

> On 2018/12/09 at 14:17, Alexandre Garreau wrote:
>> How wait indeed that might be used to display a graph… but does it do by
>> default? I recall tried once successfully (without looking at if it
>> could display graphs)… but setting gnus-use-trees to t doesn’t change
>> anything now…  what should I look at?
>
> Ok, fixed, the tree only display when reading an article!
>
> Doesn’t seem to display graphs, sadly :/

What is your definition of graph here? A non-tree graph? Aren't replies
by definition ending up being structured as trees?


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Adam Sjøgren <asjo@koldfront.dk> writes:

> Alexandre writes:
>
>> On 2018/12/09 at 14:17, Alexandre Garreau wrote:
>>> How wait indeed that might be used to display a graph… but does it do by
>>> default? I recall tried once successfully (without looking at if it
>>> could display graphs)… but setting gnus-use-trees to t doesn’t change
>>> anything now…  what should I look at?
>>
>> Ok, fixed, the tree only display when reading an article!
>>
>> Doesn’t seem to display graphs, sadly :/
>
> What is your definition of graph here? A non-tree graph? Aren't replies
> by definition ending up being structured as trees?

I think he's trying to "rejoin" two branches with a message that replies
to multiple other messages, like a git merge commit.

Re: How to wide-reply (email) to multiple people?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Eric writes:

> I think he's trying to "rejoin" two branches with a message that replies
> to multiple other messages, like a git merge commit.

Ahh, thanks.

I don't know how the tree-drawing code handles that. I don't see why it
couldn't, but given it's called "tree", maybe it doesn't :-)

Also, I rarely see discussions join each other again, once they have
split.


  Best regards,

    Adam

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