From: "Jason R. Mastaler" <jason-dated-1005681899.034438@mastaler.com>
Subject: Re: thoughts on spam
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:04:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <hhelndvv9x.fsf@nightshade.la.mastaler.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3ofmj2ajy.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> (Stainless Steel Rat's message of "04 Nov 2001 03:40:49 -0500")
Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> TDMA and puts the onus on the sender. I think this is bad because
> for every "power user" like me there are hundreds if not thousands
> who are utterly confused when they get a warning, "unable to
> deliver, will try again in N hours" and want to know if their mail
> was delivered. These people Just Don't Get It, and they -never-
> will. These are the people who will generate false positives
> against TDMA.
I think you are underestimating the intelligence of the average e-mail
user. Confirming a message through TMDA requires less effort than
subscribing to a mailing list, and some of the least technical people
imaginable (my landlord, my aunt, etc.) were not confused by the
process.
Also, e-mail awareness/competence will continue to increase as time
goes on making this less and less of an issue.
> They will be confused by TDMA's "do this to get on my whitelist"
> response because it is not the nothingness they expect, and most of
> them will simply ignore it and never send you anything again.
In practice, this isn't the case. TMDA allows you to save a copy of
the confirmed message before storing it for confirmation, so you can
check for these cases if you want, but I've found it isn't necessary.
> And then there are those like me. If I am in a pissy mood and I get
> something like that from TDMA, I could very well say "fuck that," delete
> it, and killfile you so that I never have to deal with a fundamentally
> brain-damaged mail system.
So be it. If you are too lazy to reply to a one-time confirmation
message, it tells me your message probably isn't worth reading. And
the confirmation is for a good cause, it doesn't indicate a
"brain-damaged mail system".
> The RISK here is that you will never know that this has happened.
Again, this isn't true. You can save the message before confirming as
I mentioned, scan the pending queue periodically, etc.
> Their new heuristic system works because they have -the- largest
> database of spam and spammers in the world from which to derive
> them, and that database is constantly being updated.
Updated yes, but after the fact. This strategy is old-hat and simply
doesn't work well enough for my tastes. Use what makes you most
comfortable. Enough said.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-11-05 20:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-18 5:11 Generating Mail-Followup-To: headers Matt Armstrong
2001-10-18 5:43 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-18 16:08 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-18 16:19 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-18 16:41 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-18 18:17 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-18 23:19 ` Maciej Matysiak
2001-10-19 9:03 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-11-01 21:54 ` Maciej Matysiak
2001-11-01 22:10 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-02 1:03 ` Samuel Padgett
2001-11-07 13:39 ` Maciej Matysiak
2001-11-07 13:30 ` Maciej Matysiak
2001-11-07 14:26 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-11-07 14:31 ` Didier Verna
2001-11-07 14:40 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-11-07 14:44 ` Josh Huber
2001-11-07 15:36 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-11-07 16:08 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-07 17:03 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-11-07 19:59 ` Josh Huber
2001-11-02 8:31 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-11-02 16:09 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-02 16:52 ` OT: make bbdb shut up about different email addresses? Josh Huber
2001-11-02 17:37 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-02 17:48 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-02 19:44 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-02 19:58 ` Paul Jarc
2001-11-02 18:35 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-02 22:27 ` Jack Twilley
2001-11-02 23:54 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-03 5:16 ` thoughts on spam Bill White
2001-11-03 6:33 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-03 7:29 ` SPAM? What SPAM? (was: thoughts on spam) Robin S. Socha
2001-11-03 18:13 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-03 18:39 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-03 19:04 ` Karl Kleinpaste
2001-11-03 19:12 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-03 19:21 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-03 22:52 ` Karl Kleinpaste
2001-11-03 14:48 ` thoughts on spam Bill White
2001-11-03 15:12 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-03 18:24 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-04 6:01 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-04 7:00 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-04 8:40 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-05 20:04 ` Jason R. Mastaler [this message]
2001-11-05 20:38 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-05 23:06 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-06 1:52 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-06 2:07 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-06 2:43 ` Paul Jarc
2001-11-06 3:05 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-06 3:26 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-05 22:01 ` Chris Shenton
2001-11-05 22:54 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-03 18:26 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-11-03 18:42 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-03 18:56 ` Fabien Penso
2001-11-03 19:24 ` Robin S. Socha
2001-11-04 5:54 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-04 7:07 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-04 9:04 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-04 17:57 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-04 20:46 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-05 3:49 ` Paul Jarc
2001-11-05 4:34 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-05 5:27 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-05 15:59 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-05 16:57 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-05 17:45 ` [OT] " Fabien Penso
2001-11-05 19:25 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-05 19:33 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-05 19:58 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-05 20:01 ` Karl Kleinpaste
2001-11-05 20:35 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-06 6:51 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-06 16:55 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-11-06 18:51 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-06 19:19 ` Lost Mail (was thoughts on spam) Stainless Steel Rat
2001-11-06 20:02 ` thoughts on spam Matt Armstrong
2001-11-06 20:49 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-06 19:52 ` Steinar Bang
2001-11-04 17:33 ` François Pinard
2001-11-04 17:23 ` François Pinard
2001-11-03 20:32 ` Russ Allbery
2001-11-03 18:15 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-04 4:08 ` Bill White
2001-11-04 4:04 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-04 4:07 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-04 7:11 ` Bill White
2001-11-04 7:10 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-11-04 13:47 ` Harry Putnam
2001-11-04 17:45 ` bbdb arcana Bill White
2001-11-07 13:43 ` Generating Mail-Followup-To: headers Maciej Matysiak
2001-10-19 4:48 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-10-19 13:46 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 14:08 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-10-19 15:49 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-19 15:29 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-19 16:19 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-19 19:29 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-19 19:44 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 20:59 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-19 15:42 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-19 16:16 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-10-19 16:25 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-19 17:01 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 17:04 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 19:46 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-19 19:54 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-19 20:05 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 20:50 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-19 21:12 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-20 6:52 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-20 9:41 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-10-21 0:58 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-19 20:16 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-19 21:12 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 21:40 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-20 6:25 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 17:51 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-19 18:23 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 20:31 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-19 20:53 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 22:28 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-19 23:58 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-20 10:56 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-20 11:19 ` ShengHuo ZHU
2001-10-20 4:47 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-20 10:57 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-20 6:29 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-19 19:26 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-19 21:08 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-19 21:20 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-20 9:51 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-10-20 10:59 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-19 16:31 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-10-18 16:59 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-18 16:36 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-18 17:11 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-18 17:56 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-18 18:52 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-18 19:11 ` Josh Huber
2001-10-18 19:29 ` Matt Armstrong
2001-10-18 19:27 ` Paul Jarc
2001-10-19 9:05 ` Kai Großjohann
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