* Customize testers wanted @ 1996-11-20 15:04 Per Abrahamsen 1996-11-20 20:03 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1996-12-10 11:01 ` Ilya Zakharevich 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-11-20 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Since - Custom 1.0 is now released and bundled with Red Gnus 0.66. - All the native part of Red Gnus 0.66 has customize support. - I use customize for all my Gnus related variables, and it works. I think it would be nice if you would try the customize package again, and see if it would be a disaster to release it now. Setting some of the variables from your `.gnus' would be a good test. Suggestions for how to divide some of the larger customize groups would be very helpful. There now is a customize submenu in the help menu. A known problem is that only the variables defined in already loaded files are available. The proper solution to this problem will require some cooperation from the (X)Emacs maintainers. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-20 15:04 Customize testers wanted Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-11-20 20:03 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1996-11-20 21:22 ` Sudish Joseph 1996-11-20 21:51 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1996-12-10 11:01 ` Ilya Zakharevich 1 sibling, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1996-11-20 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding, emacs-custom Per Abrahamsen (abraham@dina.kvl.dk) wrote: > - Custom 1.0 is now released and bundled with Red Gnus 0.66. > - All the native part of Red Gnus 0.66 has customize support. > - I use customize for all my Gnus related variables, and it works. > I think it would be nice if you would try the customize package again, > and see if it would be a disaster to release it now. Setting some of > the variables from your `.gnus' would be a good test. Suggestions for > how to divide some of the larger customize groups would be very > helpful. Does it work under XEmacs? The FAQ used to claim that it hasn't been ported to XEmacs. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- `VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to the Emacs religion. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-20 20:03 ` Hrvoje Niksic @ 1996-11-20 21:22 ` Sudish Joseph 1996-11-20 21:51 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Sudish Joseph @ 1996-11-20 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes: > Does it work under XEmacs? The FAQ used to claim that it hasn't been > ported to XEmacs. Yes, it does, and very nicely, too. -Sudish ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-20 20:03 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1996-11-20 21:22 ` Sudish Joseph @ 1996-11-20 21:51 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1996-11-20 22:25 ` William Perry 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1996-11-20 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Per Abrahamsen, ding, emacs-custom Hrvoje Niksic (hniksic@srce.hr) wrote: > Does it work under XEmacs? The FAQ used to claim that it hasn't been > ported to XEmacs. To followup to my own mail, it seems to work fine. A little bit slow, but it's hardly your fault. I'd like to have an easy get-out key for custom buffer, e.g. `q'. Pressing `q' only barfs "buffer is read-only". A more serious remark is for face-editing -- I would like to be able to change the *size* of the face -- then it would be truly useful. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- `VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to the Emacs religion. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-20 21:51 ` Hrvoje Niksic @ 1996-11-20 22:25 ` William Perry 1996-11-21 1:36 ` Per Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: William Perry @ 1996-11-20 22:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Per Abrahamsen, ding, emacs-custom Hrvoje Niksic writes: >Hrvoje Niksic (hniksic@srce.hr) wrote: >> Does it work under XEmacs? The FAQ used to claim that it hasn't been >> ported to XEmacs. > >To followup to my own mail, it seems to work fine. A little bit slow, but >it's hardly your fault. I'd like to have an easy get-out key for custom >buffer, e.g. `q'. Pressing `q' only barfs "buffer is read-only". > >A more serious remark is for face-editing -- I would like to be able to >change the *size* of the face -- then it would be truly useful. This would be nice, but I think really only useful under XEmacs, since in Emacs 19 all faces have to be the same height. GACK! I don't have time to hack it in right now, and I'm not sure if Per ever uses XEmacs or not. Anyone got time? -Bill P. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-20 22:25 ` William Perry @ 1996-11-21 1:36 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-11-21 3:33 ` Hrvoje Niksic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-11-21 1:36 UTC (permalink / raw) William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes: > GACK! I don't have time > to hack it in right now, and I'm not sure if Per ever uses XEmacs or not. I don't but I tried to make it easy for someone else to add support for more face attributes. All you should have to do is to add more entries to `custom-face-attributes'. For example, the entry for `underline' is (:underline (toggle :format "Underline: %v") set-face-underline-p) :underline is the name of the attribute, as used in `defface'. (toggle :format "Underline: %v") is a widget describing how it should be edited. set-face-underline-p is the function to set the attribute. It is called with three arguments, the face, the new value for that attribute, and an optional frame. To add support for setting the size, one should be able to do something like this: (setq custom-face-attributes (cons '(:size (integer :format "Size: %v") set-face-font-size) custom-face-attributes)) assuming a `set-face-font-size' function exists. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-21 1:36 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-11-21 3:33 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1996-11-21 15:20 ` William Perry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1996-11-21 3:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Per Abrahamsen (abraham@dina.kvl.dk) wrote: > (setq custom-face-attributes > (cons '(:size (integer :format "Size: %v") set-face-font-size) > custom-face-attributes)) > assuming a `set-face-font-size' function exists. Well, set-face-font-size doesn't exist, but set-face-font exists, and I think the size must be given through that. Looks pretty ugly. :( -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Hocemo 101-icu! --------------------------------+-------------------------------- I'm sure they'll listen to reason! -- Neal Stevenson, _Snow Crash_ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-21 3:33 ` Hrvoje Niksic @ 1996-11-21 15:20 ` William Perry 1996-11-21 15:55 ` Per Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: William Perry @ 1996-11-21 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Per Abrahamsen, ding Hrvoje Niksic writes: >Per Abrahamsen (abraham@dina.kvl.dk) wrote: >> (setq custom-face-attributes >> (cons '(:size (integer :format "Size: %v") set-face-font-size) >> custom-face-attributes)) >> assuming a `set-face-font-size' function exists. > >Well, set-face-font-size doesn't exist, but set-face-font exists, and >I think the size must be given through that. Looks pretty ugly. :( (load-library "font") t (setq x (make-font)) [:family nil :weight nil :style 0 :size nil :registry nil :encoding nil] (set-font-size x "24pt") "24pt" (set-face-font 'default x (current-buffer)) nil Works for me! :) This is using the 'font' package I wrote for (X)Emacs 19. It allows you to specify just specific of a font, and let it fill in the rest. This is the way Emacs needs to go to support better font handling (especially under other windowing systems like NeXTstep or Win32 (or TTY)). This parallels the Cascading Style Sheet properties for fonts pretty well (also semi-DSSSLy), since I wrote it to make my life easier with Emacs-W3 when doing stylesheets. You can specify the following styles for a font (these are all appropriate to the FONT used in a face, even though some of them get outside the 'font' property of a face as normally used in Emacs). Style Effect -------------------------------------------------- bold Font is bold italic Font is italic oblique Font is oblique dim Font is dimmed down (TTY) underline Font is underlined overline Font is overlined linethrough | strikethru Font is rendered in 'strikken' - line thru middle reverse Font is reversed (TTY) blink Font is blinking (TTY) smallcaps* Use smallcaps when drawing text bigcaps* Use bigcaps when drawing text dropcaps* Use dropcaps when drawing text * = XEmacs only, until Emacs provides set-face-display-table As well as various font-specific things (normally encoded in the X LOGFONT - gack). weight - extralight, light, demi-light, medium, normal, demi-bold, bold, extra-bold family - The font family - can be a generic font family like 'serif' as well, and font-family-mappings is consulted to find the first 'serif' font that is available on your system. size - The size of the font. This can be specified in many different physical sizes: pixels, points, picas, inches, millimeters, and centimeters. Everything but pixels takes into account your physical screen resolution, so when you ask for a '1 inch' font, you will get a 1 inch font on a 14" or a 21" monitor. Break out the ruler if you don't believe me. :) It would be fairly easy to construct a widget on top of this. Anyone volunteering? I'd put it into the main 'font' package. I've talked to RMS in the past about putting this in Emacs, but haven't really had the time to pursue it recently. -Bill P. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-21 15:20 ` William Perry @ 1996-11-21 15:55 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-11-21 18:18 ` William Perry 1996-11-21 18:34 ` David Moore 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-11-21 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Would it be this simple? (load-library "font") (defun set-face-font-size (face size &optional frame) "Set the font of FACE to SIZE in optional FRAME." (let ((font (get-face-font face frame))) (set-font-size font size) (set-face-font face font frame))) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-21 15:55 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-11-21 18:18 ` William Perry 1996-11-22 17:29 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-11-21 18:34 ` David Moore 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: William Perry @ 1996-11-21 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Per Abrahamsen writes: > >Would it be this simple? > >(load-library "font") > >(defun set-face-font-size (face size &optional frame) > "Set the font of FACE to SIZE in optional FRAME." > (let ((font (get-face-font face frame))) > (set-font-size font size) > (set-face-font face font frame))) Uhmmm... (require 'font) (if (not (fboundp 'face-font-name)) (defun face-font-name (face &rest args) (apply 'face-font face args))) (defun set-face-font-size (face size &rest args) "Set the font of FACE to SIZE" (let* ((font (apply 'face-font-name face args)) (fontobj (font-create-object font))) (set-font-size fontobj size) (apply 'set-face-font face fontobj args))) -Bill P. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-21 18:18 ` William Perry @ 1996-11-22 17:29 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-11-22 19:47 ` Jens Lautenbacher 1996-11-23 11:15 ` Hrvoje Niksic 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-11-22 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw) Thanks! I'll add :size support for XEmacs to the next custom.el version. Here is the code: (when (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version) ;; Support for special XEmacs font attributes. (require 'font) (unless (fboundp 'face-font-name) (defun face-font-name (face &rest args) (apply 'face-font face args))) (defun set-face-font-size (face size &rest args) "Set the font of FACE to SIZE" (let* ((font (apply 'face-font-name face args)) (fontobj (font-create-object font))) (set-font-size fontobj size) (apply 'set-face-font face fontobj args))) (nconc custom-face-attributes '((:size (editable-field :format "Size: %v" :value "pt") set-face-font-size)))) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-22 17:29 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-11-22 19:47 ` Jens Lautenbacher 1996-11-22 20:41 ` William Perry 1996-11-23 16:38 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-11-23 11:15 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1 sibling, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Jens Lautenbacher @ 1996-11-22 19:47 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: Per> Thanks! I'll add :size support for XEmacs to the next Per> custom.el version. Here is the code: But one should also be able to enter the family (Helevetica, Courier etc) Jens ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-22 19:47 ` Jens Lautenbacher @ 1996-11-22 20:41 ` William Perry 1996-11-23 16:38 ` Per Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: William Perry @ 1996-11-22 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Jens Lautenbacher writes: >>>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: > > Per> Thanks! I'll add :size support for XEmacs to the next > Per> custom.el version. Here is the code: > > >But one should also be able to enter the family (Helevetica, Courier etc) You should be able to specify everything about a font. This would probably best be done via a specific 'font' widget, that a 'face' widget would have as one of its children. I'm trying to clear some time this weekend to work on Emacs-W3 and various related Emacs-things. Will try to at least sketch out how this might be done at that time. -Bill P. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-22 19:47 ` Jens Lautenbacher 1996-11-22 20:41 ` William Perry @ 1996-11-23 16:38 ` Per Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-11-23 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Jens Lautenbacher <jens@lemcbed.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes: > But one should also be able to enter the family (Helevetica, Courier etc) Try the patch below. However adding *all* the possible attributes is going to be crowded. Index: custom.el =================================================================== RCS file: /home/user_22/abraham/cvs/custom/custom.el,v retrieving revision 1.22 diff -c -r1.22 custom.el *** 1.22 1996/11/22 17:59:39 --- custom.el 1996/11/23 14:31:05 *************** *** 380,387 **** (set-font-size fontobj size) (apply 'set-face-font face fontobj args))) (nconc custom-face-attributes ! '((:size (editable-field :format "Size: %v") set-face-font-size)))) (defun custom-face-attribites-set (face frame &rest atts) --- 380,396 ---- (set-font-size fontobj size) (apply 'set-face-font face fontobj args))) + (defun set-face-font-family (face family &rest args) + "Set the font of FACE to FAMILY" + (let* ((font (apply 'face-font-name face args)) + (fontobj (font-create-object font))) + (set-font-family fontobj family) + (apply 'set-face-font face fontobj args))) + (nconc custom-face-attributes ! '((:family (editable-field :format "Family: %v") ! set-face-font-family) ! (:size (editable-field :format "Size: %v") set-face-font-size)))) (defun custom-face-attribites-set (face frame &rest atts) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-22 17:29 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-11-22 19:47 ` Jens Lautenbacher @ 1996-11-23 11:15 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1996-11-23 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Per Abrahamsen (abraham@dina.kvl.dk) wrote: > Thanks! I'll add :size support for XEmacs to the next custom.el > version. Here is the code: Yohoo! Great. :-) -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Hocemo 101-icu! --------------------------------+-------------------------------- If a President doesn't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his country. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-21 15:55 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-11-21 18:18 ` William Perry @ 1996-11-21 18:34 ` David Moore 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: David Moore @ 1996-11-21 18:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: > Would it be this simple? > > (load-library "font") > > (defun set-face-font-size (face size &optional frame) > "Set the font of FACE to SIZE in optional FRAME." > (let ((font (get-face-font face frame))) > (set-font-size font size) > (set-face-font face font frame))) Except for the lack of get-face-font, in the version of "font.el" that is currently in xemacs 19.14. I think you might be able to use something like: (let ((font-spec (face-property face 'font-specification frame))) (when font-spec (set-font-size font-spec size) (set-face-font face font-spec frame))) This would only let you set the font sizes of fonts created after the font.el library was loaded, however. Although I guess if custom.el loaded it first thing, it'd work for everything custom cares about. -- David Moore <dmoore@ucsd.edu> | Computer Systems Lab __o UCSD Dept. Computer Science - 0114 | Work: (619) 534-8604 _ \<,_ La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 | Fax: (619) 534-1445 (_)/ (_) <URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/> | Solo Furnace Creek 508 -- 1996! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Customize testers wanted 1996-11-20 15:04 Customize testers wanted Per Abrahamsen 1996-11-20 20:03 ` Hrvoje Niksic @ 1996-12-10 11:01 ` Ilya Zakharevich 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Ilya Zakharevich @ 1996-12-10 11:01 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding, emacs-custom Per Abrahamsen writes: > > > Since > > - Custom 1.0 is now released and bundled with Red Gnus 0.66. I tried the latest version (2 hours ago on the Web site), and it still does nothing for me. I tried to use `customize' to customize `widget'. The interface still stinks, (how am I supposed to interprete all these [!] and the colors changing on the fly? Do you suppose that a user with many years of experience would read the docs? Do you suppose that a user without many years of experience would read the docs, btw? ;-) Anyway, I could easily change the colors (except these "unactive" buttons, like "Mode hook"). I pressed "Apply" and it did apply, I pressed "Set default" and nothing happened (as I expected), I pressed "Save" and it wrote "Writing ~/.emacs.custom" (as it should). This is all. New copies of emacs do not have any customizations in them, and the contents of ~/.emacs.custom is quite pityful: (custom-set-variables '(custom-file "~/.emacs.custom")) (custom-set-faces) Is it how it is supposed to work? If yes, what is the point in the package? It is OS/2 19.33. My less important remarks: [!], colors of [+], (A line at the top with 2-word explanations? Shown by default, switchable off?) (Or maybe just an entry "About" ("mini help"?) before "emacs"?) Color of "dead buttons"; There should be a [Quit] choice. Best, Ilya ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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