* Include ucs-tables.el? @ 2002-03-06 17:02 Kai Großjohann 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-06 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and Latin-9 in their messages. What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere that points to it? kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-06 17:02 Include ucs-tables.el? Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU 2002-03-07 10:14 ` Kai Großjohann ` (3 more replies) 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU 1 sibling, 4 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: ShengHuo ZHU @ 2002-03-06 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces > multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting > to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and > Latin-9 in their messages. > > What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and > including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere > that points to it? Added. ShengHuo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU @ 2002-03-07 10:14 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-07 10:14 ` Kai Großjohann ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-07 10:14 UTC (permalink / raw) ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes: > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > >> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and >> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere >> that points to it? > > Added. Great! kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU 2002-03-07 10:14 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-07 10:14 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-08 15:22 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-03-08 15:22 ` Ted Zlatanov 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-07 10:14 UTC (permalink / raw) ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes: > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > >> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and >> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere >> that points to it? > > Added. Great! kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU 2002-03-07 10:14 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-07 10:14 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-08 15:22 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-03-08 15:22 ` Ted Zlatanov 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-03-08 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw) ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes: > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > >> Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces >> multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting >> to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and >> Latin-9 in their messages. >> >> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and >> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere >> that points to it? > > Added. For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el, can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus, and what benefits it provides? Thanks Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-03-08 15:22 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-03-08 15:22 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib 3 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-03-08 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw) ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes: > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > >> Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces >> multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting >> to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and >> Latin-9 in their messages. >> >> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and >> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere >> that points to it? > > Added. For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el, can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus, and what benefits it provides? Thanks Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 15:22 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib 2002-03-08 20:45 ` Simon Josefsson ` (3 more replies) 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib 1 sibling, 4 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2002-03-08 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, Mar 08 2002, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el, > can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus, (require 'ucs-tables) (unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1) (unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1) > and what benefits it provides? AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-* charset's if possible. E.g. if I want to reply to a iso-8859-15 posting (quoting an EURO-symbol) and insert iso-8859-1-`Umlaut' characters (like äöü), Gnus would produce utf-8 or a multi-part posting. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- PGP key available via WWW http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib @ 2002-03-08 20:45 ` Simon Josefsson 2002-03-09 16:40 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-09 16:40 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-08 20:45 ` Simon Josefsson ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-03-08 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib@gmx.net> writes: >> and what benefits it provides? > > AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-* > charset's if possible. E.g. if I want to reply to a iso-8859-15 > posting (quoting an EURO-symbol) and insert iso-8859-1-`Umlaut' > characters (like äöü), Gnus would produce utf-8 or a multi-part > posting. As far as I know, Gnus generates multipart postings by default. I suspect that ucs-tables enables the unify-to-utf8 case. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 20:45 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2002-03-09 16:40 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-09 16:40 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-09 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes: > As far as I know, Gnus generates multipart postings by default. I > suspect that ucs-tables enables the unify-to-utf8 case. No. When you have a posting with a Latin-1 ä and a Latin-9 ä, then Gnus might use Latin-1, Latin-9 or UTF-8 for sending. (With ucs-tables, that is. Without, Gnus will generate a multipart message.) kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 20:45 ` Simon Josefsson 2002-03-09 16:40 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-09 16:40 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-09 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes: > As far as I know, Gnus generates multipart postings by default. I > suspect that ucs-tables enables the unify-to-utf8 case. No. When you have a posting with a Latin-1 ä and a Latin-9 ä, then Gnus might use Latin-1, Latin-9 or UTF-8 for sending. (With ucs-tables, that is. Without, Gnus will generate a multipart message.) kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib 2002-03-08 20:45 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2002-03-08 20:45 ` Simon Josefsson 2002-03-08 23:24 ` Daniel Pittman 2002-03-08 23:24 ` Daniel Pittman 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-03-08 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib@gmx.net> writes: >> and what benefits it provides? > > AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-* > charset's if possible. E.g. if I want to reply to a iso-8859-15 > posting (quoting an EURO-symbol) and insert iso-8859-1-`Umlaut' > characters (like äöü), Gnus would produce utf-8 or a multi-part > posting. As far as I know, Gnus generates multipart postings by default. I suspect that ucs-tables enables the unify-to-utf8 case. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib 2002-03-08 20:45 ` Simon Josefsson 2002-03-08 20:45 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2002-03-08 23:24 ` Daniel Pittman 2002-03-09 16:41 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-09 16:41 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-08 23:24 ` Daniel Pittman 3 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Daniel Pittman @ 2002-03-08 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Reiner Steib wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08 2002, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > >> For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el, >> can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus, > > (require 'ucs-tables) > (unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1) > (unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1) Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without file-coding and with or without MULE? Will it cope correctly with the soon-to-land Unicode internals of the ben-mule branch of XEmacs, with more native support for non-MULE internal encodings? Does it cope with Emacs of those varieties? Also, how does it interact with the Latin Unity package for XEmacs and with the unity packages for Emacs21? >> and what benefits it provides? > > AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-* > charset's if possible. Is this only within the scope of Gnus message buffers, Gnus message and display buffers or universally? Daniel -- I am for an art of teddy bears and guns and decapitated rabbits, exploded umbrellas, raped beds, chairs with their brown bones broken, burning trees, firecracker ends, chicken bones, pigeon bones and boxes with men sleeping in them. -- Claes Oldenburg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 23:24 ` Daniel Pittman @ 2002-03-09 16:41 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-09 16:41 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-09 16:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Daniel Pittman <daniel@rimspace.net> writes: > Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without > file-coding and with or without MULE? It is only a file in the contrib directory. XEmacs users don't have to use it. I guess for XEmacs users it is easier to install the Latin-Unity package. kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 23:24 ` Daniel Pittman 2002-03-09 16:41 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-09 16:41 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-03-10 3:13 ` Daniel Pittman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-09 16:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Daniel Pittman <daniel@rimspace.net> writes: > Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without > file-coding and with or without MULE? It is only a file in the contrib directory. XEmacs users don't have to use it. I guess for XEmacs users it is easier to install the Latin-Unity package. kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-09 16:41 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-10 3:13 ` Daniel Pittman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Daniel Pittman @ 2002-03-10 3:13 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sat, 09 Mar 2002, Kai Großjohann wrote: > Daniel Pittman <daniel@rimspace.net> writes: > >> Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without >> file-coding and with or without MULE? > > It is only a file in the contrib directory. Ah. That wasn't clear to me from the discussion at hand. I thought it was going to be activated automatically, hence my concern.[1] > XEmacs users don't have to use it. *nod* Daniel Footnotes: [1] Automatic data modification, even when it's well intended, worries me. -- Here with a Newsgroup, where we talk of Quoste, A Cup of Coffee and a Slice of Toast; The Bits flow Eastward in the Packet Stream: Who is the Poster, pray, and who the Post? -- Omar Kyahham ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-03-08 23:24 ` Daniel Pittman @ 2002-03-08 23:24 ` Daniel Pittman 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Daniel Pittman @ 2002-03-08 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Reiner Steib wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08 2002, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > >> For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el, >> can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus, > > (require 'ucs-tables) > (unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1) > (unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1) Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without file-coding and with or without MULE? Will it cope correctly with the soon-to-land Unicode internals of the ben-mule branch of XEmacs, with more native support for non-MULE internal encodings? Does it cope with Emacs of those varieties? Also, how does it interact with the Latin Unity package for XEmacs and with the unity packages for Emacs21? >> and what benefits it provides? > > AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-* > charset's if possible. Is this only within the scope of Gnus message buffers, Gnus message and display buffers or universally? Daniel -- I am for an art of teddy bears and guns and decapitated rabbits, exploded umbrellas, raped beds, chairs with their brown bones broken, burning trees, firecracker ends, chicken bones, pigeon bones and boxes with men sleeping in them. -- Claes Oldenburg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-08 15:22 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib @ 2002-03-08 15:54 ` Reiner Steib 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2002-03-08 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, Mar 08 2002, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el, > can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus, (require 'ucs-tables) (unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1) (unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1) > and what benefits it provides? AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-* charset's if possible. E.g. if I want to reply to a iso-8859-15 posting (quoting an EURO-symbol) and insert iso-8859-1-`Umlaut' characters (like äöü), Gnus would produce utf-8 or a multi-part posting. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- PGP key available via WWW http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Include ucs-tables.el? 2002-03-06 17:02 Include ucs-tables.el? Kai Großjohann 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU @ 2002-03-06 17:18 ` ShengHuo ZHU 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: ShengHuo ZHU @ 2002-03-06 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces > multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting > to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and > Latin-9 in their messages. > > What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and > including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere > that points to it? Added. ShengHuo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Include ucs-tables.el? @ 2002-03-06 17:02 Kai Großjohann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-03-06 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and Latin-9 in their messages. What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere that points to it? kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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