Reply in mailing lists

Reply in mailing lists

[Jochen Lillich]

Hi!

In mailing list groups, how can I make gnus follow up only to the list
address (configured with "to-list" parameter) instead of replying to
both list and sender addresses?

Thanks,
	Jochen

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Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Per Abrahamsen]

Jochen Lillich <jochen@dynamis.de> writes:

> In mailing list groups, how can I make gnus follow up only to the list
> address (configured with "to-list" parameter) instead of replying to
> both list and sender addresses?

Use the `to-address' parameter instead of `to-list'.

Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Brian May]

>>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

    Per> Jochen Lillich <jochen@dynamis.de> writes:
    >> In mailing list groups, how can I make gnus follow up only to
    >> the list address (configured with "to-list" parameter) instead
    >> of replying to both list and sender addresses?

    Per> Use the `to-address' parameter instead of `to-list'.

Is there any easy way in Gnus to do the following?

- followup a newsgroup message to the newsgroup and send a CC to
the original sender. eg, if original poster requests a CC.

- when used with a mail2news gateway, and to-address is set to the
address of the mailing list:

Is it possible to send a wide reply to everybody, *including* the
mailing list? Currently, for wide replies, the mailing list does not
appear (because the To: and CC: headers were removed by the mail2news
gateway). Required for the same reason.

What I would like is some function that combines "posting"[1] and
"mailing" into the one command. However, perhaps I am on the wrong
tangent altogether. Comments anyone?



I think this is related to the mail-copies-to header
feature - does that apply to the Followup command or the
Wide replies command? What is the default when no mail-copies-to
header is included? Can this default be overridden?

I hope that what I have said makes sense to somebody ;-)
If people are confused, please tell me, and I will start
again.

Note:
[1] By "posting" I mean:
- posting to the newsgroup if to-address is undefined.
- or, mailing a copy to the to-address.

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Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Per Abrahamsen]

You can use `C-c C-t' to add the "From" address to the list of
recipients.

There was some discussion recently about a similar command to add the
Cc's to the list of recipients, but it is not there now.

Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Brian May]

>>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

    Per> You can use `C-c C-t' to add the "From" address to the list
    Per> of recipients.

Thanks for you response. This helps for one situation: replying
to a mailing list.

However, unless I am mistaken, it doesn't seem to help in any of these
two situations.

>>>>> In article <t4ig0x7he0g.fsf@silas-1.cc.monash.edu.au>, Brian May <bmay@csse.monash.edu.au> writes:

    Brian> - followup a newsgroup message to the newsgroup and send a
    Brian> CC to the original sender. eg, if original poster requests
    Brian> a CC.

I think the To field will prevent the news message from being
posted (unless I am mistaken).

    Brian> - when used with a mail2news gateway, and to-address is set
    Brian> to the address of the mailing list:

Actually, now I think about it, this probably would help. I was
thinking about it from the wrong perspective ;-)

I could create a followup message (F), then push C-c C-t,
and everything should setup as required.

    Per> There was some discussion recently about a similar command to
    Per> add the Cc's to the list of recipients, but it is not there
    Per> now.

That would be good. I think CC would be much more important
then To.

    Brian> I think this is related to the mail-copies-to header
    Brian> feature - does that apply to the Followup command or the
    Brian> Wide replies command? What is the default when no
    Brian> mail-copies-to header is included? Can this default be
    Brian> overridden?

Something that would interest me is knowing:

- I am reading a message in a group with the "to-address"
field set.
- This message has the field "mail-copies-to: always" (IIRC).
- I followup the message with 'F'.

Will a copy be sent to the original poster?

IMHO, "mail-copies-to" should override the setting for "to-address",
but would it?

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Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Per Abrahamsen]

Brian May <bmay@csse.monash.edu.au> writes:

> I think the To field will prevent the news message from being
> posted (unless I am mistaken).

You are mistaken.

> IMHO, "mail-copies-to" should override the setting for "to-address",
> but would it?

Try it.

Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Brian May]

>>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

    Per> Brian May <bmay@csse.monash.edu.au> writes:
    >> I think the To field will prevent the news message from being
    >> posted (unless I am mistaken).

    Per> You are mistaken.

I am...? I will take your word for it ;-)

I assume then that if Gnus sees a "newsgroup" header, it will always
post it?

Similarly, if Gnus sees a "To", "Cc", or "Bcc" header, it
will always post it (independently of if it mails it or not).

    >> IMHO, "mail-copies-to" should override the setting for
    >> "to-address", but would it?

    Per> Try it.

Amazing, it worked! Assuming my test wasn't flawed... (I don't
think it was).

So now I can summarize for mailing lists (and I assume the same holds
for all newsgroups) that have the "to-address" set:

narrow reply
- reply only to author - this is obvious

wide reply
- reply to everyone specified in original message (this may/may not
include the mailing list).
- except if original mail contains "mail-copies-to: never"[1],
in which case the original author will not get a separate copy.
Not sure about other people.

followup
- same thing as "wide reply" for mailing lists where "to-address"
is not set. Otherwise...

- reply to "to-address" only.
- except if "mail-copies-to: always" was set, in which case a CC
is sent to the author.
- if you want to manually force replying to the original author,
then pushing C-c C-t (did I get that correct?) will add him/her
to the "to" field.


So, me thinks it is a pity that the wide reply wont always include
the address of the mailing list, but everything else seems
rather sane and straight forward.


Note:

[1] I can't remember if this is never or nobody. Please substitute for
correct value, and don't take my version as being up-to-date and
correct.

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Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Kai Großjohann]

Brian May <bmay@csse.monash.edu.au> writes:

> Is it possible to send a wide reply to everybody, *including* the
> mailing list? Currently, for wide replies, the mailing list does not
> appear (because the To: and CC: headers were removed by the mail2news
> gateway). Required for the same reason.

You can set a group parameter which tells Gnus to send a mail to some
address whenever you want to post something.  I think.  Hm.

Apparently, to-address fulfills this need.  Read the docs for details.

kai
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Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Brian May]

>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:

    Kai> You can set a group parameter which tells Gnus to send a mail
    Kai> to some address whenever you want to post something.  I
    Kai> think.  Hm.

    Kai> Apparently, to-address fulfills this need.  Read the docs for
    Kai> details.

No - the to-address only takes affect for new postings (a), and
followups (F). It doesn't effect wide replies (S W, which IMHO should
go everywhere[1]).


On the topic of replies, when replying to your message, Gnus wouldn't
add the ding@gnus.org address... This use to work, not sure why it
isn't working now. I tried both "F" and "S W".

Perhaps it is because I change the value of the CC header within
gnus-posting-styles, however, this use to work fine. Initially, I
tested it in PGnus 0.98 to make sure. Has something changed?
Personally I prefer setting all settings for groups within
gnus-posting-styles, as it simplifies my config file.


[1] depending on the mail-copies-to header, of course.
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Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Brian May <bmay@csse.monash.edu.au>:

>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:

Kai> You can set a group parameter which tells Gnus to send a mail
Kai> to some address whenever you want to post something.  I
Kai> think.  Hm.

Kai> Apparently, to-address fulfills this need.  Read the docs for
Kai> details.

> No - the to-address only takes affect for new postings (a), and
> followups (F). It doesn't effect wide replies (S W, which IMHO
> should go everywhere[1]).

I have this in the Group Parameters of the newsgroup fa.info-cvs at
news.eunet.no, which is gated from the info-cvs mailing list at some
point:

((to-list . "info-cvs@prep.ai.mit.edu")
 (to-address . "info-cvs@prep.ai.mit.edu"))

I don't know why or even if I need both to-list and to-address (it's
so long since I did this), but it seems to work.

Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Jochen Lillich]

Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

> Use the `to-address' parameter instead of `to-list'.

I'm totally embarrassed having found out that this is explained in the
info file in epic dimensions. I seem to be blindfolded sometimes...

Thanks!

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Re: Reply in mailing lists

[Shaun Lipscombe]

* "Jochen" == Jochen Lillich <jochen@dynamis.de> writes:

 Jochen> Hi!  In mailing list groups, how can I make gnus follow up
 Jochen> only to the list address (configured with "to-list"
 Jochen> parameter) instead of replying to both list and sender
 Jochen> addresses?

I use to-address instead of to-list as a group parameter.  I don't
know if this makes any difference:

`to-list'
     Address used when doing a `a' in that group.

          (to-list . "some@where.com")

     It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
     present in a news group, you'll get mail group semantics when doing
     `f'.

     If you do an `a' command in a mail group and you have neither a
     `to-list' group parameter nor a `to-address' group parameter, then
     a `to-list' group parameter will be added automatically upon
     sending the message if `gnus-add-to-list' is set to `t'.

     If you do an `a' command in a mail group and you don't have a
     `to-list' group parameter, one will be added automatically upon
     sending the message.


So:

to-address is what you want, and if reply-to is set by the list, to
get logical `F' and `R' you will need to set an extra group parameter
broken-reply-to, I think its called.

HTH,

Shaun

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