editing drafts

editing drafts

[Kai Großjohann]

A minute ago, my boss came and he also tried to use `e' to edit an
article in nndraft:drafts.  I told him to use `D e'.

I really think it would be useful for `e' to do what people expect in
nndraft:drafts.  This means do like `D e'.  Even though it's
different from `e' in other groups.

(The old `e' could be on another binding -- `D e' is free.)

Opinions?
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Re: editing drafts

[Emerick Rogul]

Kai Großjohann writes:

> A minute ago, my boss came and he also tried to use `e' to edit an
> article in nndraft:drafts.  I told him to use `D e'.

> I really think it would be useful for `e' to do what people expect in
> nndraft:drafts.  This means do like `D e'.  Even though it's
> different from `e' in other groups.

> (The old `e' could be on another binding -- `D e' is free.)

> Opinions?

I totally agree with this idea.  In fact, I _just_ made this exact
mistake and I was completely confused when after sending my draft it
was still in my drafts folder.  It sounds like a very user-friendly
enhancement to make.

-Emerick
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Re: editing drafts

[Reiner Steib]

On Mon, May 05 2003, Kai Großjohann wrote:

> I really think it would be useful for `e' to do what people expect in
> nndraft:drafts.  This means do like `D e'.  Even though it's
> different from `e' in other groups.

ACK.

> (The old `e' could be on another binding -- `D e' is free.)

No, IMHO, `D e' should be kept.  It would be too confusing for people
that are familiar with the `D e' binding.

We already have `B w' for `gnus-summary-edit-article', this should be
enough.

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Re: editing drafts

[Michael R. Wolf]

Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:

> On Mon, May 05 2003, Kai Großjohann wrote:
>
>> I really think it would be useful for `e' to do what people expect in
>> nndraft:drafts.  This means do like `D e'.  Even though it's
>> different from `e' in other groups.
>
> ACK.
>
>> (The old `e' could be on another binding -- `D e' is free.)
>
> No, IMHO, `D e' should be kept.  It would be too confusing for people
> that are familiar with the `D e' binding.

Agreed.  'D e' *and* 'e'.

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Re: editing drafts

[Karl Pflästerer]

On  5 May 2003, Kai Großjohann <- kai.grossjohann@gmx.net wrote:

> I really think it would be useful for `e' to do what people expect in
> nndraft:drafts.  This means do like `D e'.  Even though it's
> different from `e' in other groups.

> (The old `e' could be on another binding -- `D e' is free.)

> Opinions?

Very good idea.  Extremly userfriendly.

bye
   KP

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Re: editing drafts

[Xavier Maillard]

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On  5 mai 2003, Kai Großjohann wrote:

>  A minute ago, my boss came and he also tried to use `e' to edit an
>  article in nndraft:drafts.  I told him to use `D e'.
>  
>  I really think it would be useful for `e' to do what people expect in
>  nndraft:drafts.  This means do like `D e'.  Even though it's
>  different from `e' in other groups.

I do not agree because I am too familiar with using the 'D e'
keys. What's more D for draft soundsd more natural to me.
  
zeDek
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Re: editing drafts

[Kai Großjohann]

Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:

> I do not agree because I am too familiar with using the 'D e'
> keys. What's more D for draft soundsd more natural to me.

Okay, I agree with Reiner now: let's use B w for
gnus-summary-edit-article, and D e for the draft function, and e has
dwimish behavior.

OK?
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Re: editing drafts

[Derrell.Lipman]

kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
>
>> I do not agree because I am too familiar with using the 'D e'
>> keys. What's more D for draft soundsd more natural to me.
>
> Okay, I agree with Reiner now: let's use B w for
> gnus-summary-edit-article, and D e for the draft function, and e has
> dwimish behavior.

Just to add one more voice to the ruckus...

Although I've become quite used to 'D e' for the draft function, I still find
it uncomfortable to not be able to just press 'e' for this purpose.  I don't
mind 'D e' staying how it is, but I'd prefer that 'e' run the same function as
'D e'.

Derrell

Re: editing drafts

[Xavier Maillard]

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On 6 mai 2003, Derrell Lipman outgrape:

>  kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>  
> >  Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
> >  
> > >  I do not agree because I am too familiar with using the 'D e'
> > >  keys. What's more D for draft soundsd more natural to me.
> >  
> >  Okay, I agree with Reiner now: let's use B w for
> >  gnus-summary-edit-article, and D e for the draft function, and e
> >  has dwimish behavior.
>  
>  Just to add one more voice to the ruckus...
>  
>  Although I've become quite used to 'D e' for the draft function, I
>  still find it uncomfortable to not be able to just press 'e' for this
>  purpose.  I don't mind 'D e' staying how it is, but I'd prefer that
>  'e' run the same function as 'D e'.

That is a possibility as well that satisfy all the parts :)
  
>  Derrell

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Re: editing drafts

[Reiner Steib]

On Tue, May 06 2003, Derrell.Lipman@UnwiredUniverse.com wrote:

> kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes:
[...]
>> Okay, I agree with Reiner now: let's use B w for
>> gnus-summary-edit-article, and D e for the draft function, and e has
>> dwimish behavior.
>
> Just to add one more voice to the ruckus...
>
> Although I've become quite used to 'D e' for the draft function, I
> still find it uncomfortable to not be able to just press 'e' for
> this purpose.  I don't mind 'D e' staying how it is, but I'd prefer
> that 'e' run the same function as 'D e'.

[See <URL:http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/52308> for
the complete thread.]

It seems that we agreed on this change, but nobody actually did it.  I
will add the `e' binding, unless there are objections.

Thus, in Drafts mode, we'll have:

  `e' and `D e' -> gnus-draft-edit-message
  `B w'         -> gnus-summary-edit-article

Should `e' be added and advertised in (info "(gnus)Drafts") too or is
it better to mention only `D e' there?

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: editing drafts

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Dec 11 2003, Reiner Steib wrote:

> Thus, in Drafts mode, we'll have:
>
>   `e' and `D e' -> gnus-draft-edit-message
>   `B w'         -> gnus-summary-edit-article

Done.

When being in an article buffer (in the draft group), the draft
bindings (`D ...', `e') aren't recognized.  Does anyone want tot fix
that?

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: editing drafts

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:

> When being in an article buffer (in the draft group), the draft
> bindings (`D ...', `e') aren't recognized.  Does anyone want tot fix
> that?

Hm...  I'd have thought that should work automatically.  Perhaps the
minor mode keymap stuff doesn't work properly for some reason or other?

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Re: editing drafts

[Reiner Steib]

On Wed, Dec 31 2003, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:
>
>> When being in an article buffer (in the draft group), the draft
>> bindings (`D ...', `e') aren't recognized.  Does anyone want tot fix
>> that?
>
> Hm...  I'd have thought that should work automatically.  Perhaps the
> minor mode keymap stuff doesn't work properly for some reason or other?

Dunno, I'm not familiar with that stuff.  Does it work for others?

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: editing drafts

[Michael R. Wolf]

kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> A minute ago, my boss came and he also tried to use `e' to edit an
> article in nndraft:drafts.  I told him to use `D e'.
>
> I really think it would be useful for `e' to do what people expect in
> nndraft:drafts.  This means do like `D e'.  Even though it's
> different from `e' in other groups.
>
> (The old `e' could be on another binding -- `D e' is free.)
>
> Opinions?

Agreed.  I've fallen into this trap.  It would be nice to remove the
trap for future generations.


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Re: editing drafts

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> A minute ago, my boss came and he also tried to use `e' to edit an
> article in nndraft:drafts.  I told him to use `D e'.
>
> I really think it would be useful for `e' to do what people expect in
> nndraft:drafts.  This means do like `D e'.  Even though it's
> different from `e' in other groups.
>
> (The old `e' could be on another binding -- `D e' is free.)
>
> Opinions?
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Re: editing drafts

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> A minute ago, my boss came and he also tried to use `e' to edit an
> article in nndraft:drafts.  I told him to use `D e'.

Uhm...  why?

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Re: editing drafts

[Kai Großjohann]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> A minute ago, my boss came and he also tried to use `e' to edit an
>> article in nndraft:drafts.  I told him to use `D e'.
>
> Uhm...  why?

Because then he could send the message normally with C-c C-c.  After
`e', C-c C-c just stored the changed message in the drafts group.

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Re: editing drafts

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes:

>>> A minute ago, my boss came and he also tried to use `e' to edit an
>>> article in nndraft:drafts.  I told him to use `D e'.
>>
>> Uhm...  why?
>
> Because then he could send the message normally with C-c C-c.  After
> `e', C-c C-c just stored the changed message in the drafts group.

Ah, yes.  I was thinking about the queue group, where `e' and `D e'
are kinda, er, identical.

Never mind.

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