How do I get no signature in particular groups?

How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Emerick Rogul]

In some newsgroups I'm subscribed to, I don't want any signature at
all to be appended to my messages.  I tried adding (message-signature
nil) to my group parameters, but nothing happened.  I also tried
adding (signature nil) and (signature "") to that group's
posting-style.  Setting it to nil did nothing; setting it to "" was
closer, but I was still getting the signature separator at the end of
my message.

Can anyone help me out with this?  I'm sure there's an easy way to do
it, but I can't seem to figure it out.  I'm using pgnus 0.98.

em

Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:

> In some newsgroups I'm subscribed to, I don't want any signature at
> all to be appended to my messages.  I tried adding (message-signature
> nil) to my group parameters, but nothing happened.  I also tried
> adding (signature nil) and (signature "") to that group's
> posting-style.  Setting it to nil did nothing; setting it to "" was
> closer, but I was still getting the signature separator at the end of
> my message.

I think I've located and fixed this bug.  Could you check after
Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99 has been released to see whether things start
working?

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Turbo Fredriksson]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

    Lars> Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:
    >> In some newsgroups I'm subscribed to, I don't want any
    >> signature at all to be appended to my messages.  I tried adding
    >> (message-signature nil) to my group parameters, but nothing
    >> happened.  I also tried adding (signature nil) and (signature
    >> "") to that group's posting-style.  Setting it to nil did
    >> nothing; setting it to "" was closer, but I was still getting
    >> the signature separator at the end of my message.

    Lars> I think I've located and fixed this bug.  Could you check
    Lars> after Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99 has been released to see
    Lars> whether things start working?

<bickering>
        There was a very nice way (variable) to do this, and many other
        things in 0.84 (which I'm using) which was called 'gnus-posting-style-alist'.

        I still miss this, and nobody have been able to tell me 1, WHY
        it was removed and 2, how you do the same thing now...

        I can't/won't upgrade until this have been fixed, or I'll learn
        how to do this in any other way.

        Having this config in an .el that can be loaded (as I have it now)
        is preferable to me, instead of having it the 'group buffer config'.

        I'm very often read my mail on multiple machines (because my private
        computer are having so many hardware problems, so moving mail back and
        forth between them aren't that big a problem, but having the '~/.newsrc.eld'
        is, so I usually scrap that file every now and then, and move all my
        mail folders (with the help of a perlscript I wrote)..
</bickering>

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Stephen Zander]

>>>>> "Turbo" == Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:
    Turbo> <bickering> There was a very nice way (variable) to do
    Turbo> this, and many other things in 0.84 (which I'm using) which
    Turbo> was called 'gnus-posting-style-alist'.

Eh? It just becam gnus-posting-styles.  Form my ~/.gnus.el

  (setq gnus-posting-styles
      '((".*"
	 (address "gibreel@pobox.com")
	 (name "Stephen Zander")
	 (signature sz:random-quote))
	("^atlas"
	 (address "szander@tlas.com")
	 (signature-file "~/.signature-atlas"))
	("^debian"
	 (address "gibreel@debian.org"))
	("clpm.posts"
	 ("Cc" "clpm-policy@plover.com")
	((sz:posting-from-work-p)
	 (organization "speaking through, but not for, McKessonHBOC Corp."))))

and the headers on this message will tell you which version of pgnus
I'm using :)

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Turbo Fredriksson]

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Zander <gibreel@pobox.com> writes:

>>>>> "Turbo" == Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:
    Turbo> <bickering> There was a very nice way (variable) to do
    Turbo> this, and many other things in 0.84 (which I'm using) which
    Turbo> was called 'gnus-posting-style-alist'.

    Stephen> Eh? It just becam gnus-posting-styles.  Form my
    Stephen> ~/.gnus.el

Nope, it didn't. 'gnus-posting-styles' USED 'gnus-posting-style-alist'
for it's base. This is how I use it.

(setq gnus-posting-style-alist
  '((organization . message-user-organization)
    (signature . message-signature)
    (signature-file . message-signature-file)
    (address . user-mail-address)
    (name . user-full-name)
    (ispell . turbo/process-ispell)
    (yow . turbo/process-yow)
    (spook . turbo/process-spook)
    (pgp . turbo/process-pgp)
    (pgpid . mc-pgp-user-id)
    (nntp . nntp-address)
    (header . message-default-headers)))


Etc, ad infinitum if I like.
THEN I could use this, and this is the reason I don't want to upgrade
yet...


(setq gnus-posting-styles
      '((".*"
         ;; Default
         (address        "turbo@tripnet.se")
         (name           "Turbo Fredriksson")
         (organization   "NoCrew")
         (signature      t)
         (signature-file "~/.signature.default")
         (ispell         t)
         (yow            t)
         (spook          t)
         (pgp            t)
         (pgpid          "turbo")
         (header
          (concat "X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 92 93 0E 06 94 D6 22  98 1F 0B 5B FE 33 A1 0B\n"
                  "X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x788CD1A9\n"
                  "X-URL: http://www.nocrew.org/~turbo/\n")))
        ;;
        ("debian\\.bugs"
         (address        "turbo@debian.org")
         (organization   "Debian GNU/Linux")
         (spook          nil)
         (yow            nil)
         (pgp            nil)
         (signature-file "~/.signature.debian"))
        ("debian\\."
         ;; Debian mailinglists...
         (address        "turbo@debian.org")
         (organization   "Debian GNU/Linux")
         (signature-file "~/.signature.debian")
         (pgp            t)
         (yow            t)
         (spook          t))

         etc...


    Stephen> and the headers on this message will tell you which
    Stephen> version of pgnus I'm using :)

Oki, so the signature stuff was still there. I have a little problem
understanding 'gnus-msg.el', but it have changed quite dramaticly...

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:

> There was a very nice way (variable) to do this, and many other
> things in 0.84 (which I'm using) which was called
> 'gnus-posting-style-alist'.

The posting styles used to work by setting variables locally in the
Message buffer.  This mechanism made it quite breakable and somewhat
unpredictable.  The new mechanism sets no variables, but inserts (or
arranges for insertions) directly into the buffer, thereby letting
people see what the posting style has arranged.

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Turbo Fredriksson]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

    Lars> Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:
    >> There was a very nice way (variable) to do this, and many other
    >> things in 0.84 (which I'm using) which was called
    >> 'gnus-posting-style-alist'.

    Lars> The posting styles used to work by setting variables locally
    Lars> in the Message buffer.  This mechanism made it quite
    Lars> breakable and somewhat unpredictable.  The new mechanism
    Lars> sets no variables, but inserts (or arranges for insertions)
    Lars> directly into the buffer, thereby letting people see what
    Lars> the posting style has arranged.

I see... Is there a way to specify which entries to use for the posting styles
(aka the old 'gnus-posting-style-alist')?

Default behaviour is what YOU (the programmers) think should be the
default action/styles when posting (ie the signature and the email. I
want to specify that my self, as in previous mails).

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:

> I see... Is there a way to specify which entries to use for the
> posting styles (aka the old 'gnus-posting-style-alist')?

You can specify all the headers you feel like.  See the manual for
details. 

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Rupa Schomaker (list)]

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:
> 
> > There was a very nice way (variable) to do this, and many other
> > things in 0.84 (which I'm using) which was called
> > 'gnus-posting-style-alist'.
> 
> The posting styles used to work by setting variables locally in the
> Message buffer.  This mechanism made it quite breakable and somewhat
> unpredictable.  The new mechanism sets no variables, but inserts (or
> arranges for insertions) directly into the buffer, thereby letting
> people see what the posting style has arranged.

Lars,

I've been trying to figure out a "good" way to set the envelope header 
to the right value when setting a different address via
posting-styles.  Since posting styles only changes content in the
buffer and sets no variables I'm struggling with the right way to get
this to work...

Currently, I'm using the patch below.  *Don't* apply it since it is
using a hack to set user-mail-address.  What would be appropriate in
gnus-msg.el?  I assume what is in message.el is ok (at least it seems
to be for me)...

I tried making user-mail-address a local var, but by the time we got
to actually sending the message we're out of the message buffer and
into another, so a local var just doesn't work.



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Index: gnus-msg.el
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/cvs/cvsroot/elisp/pgnus/lisp/gnus-msg.el,v
retrieving revision 1.1.1.2
diff -u -r1.1.1.2 gnus-msg.el
--- gnus-msg.el	1999/07/20 18:20:36	1.1.1.2
+++ gnus-msg.el	1999/11/17 00:56:36
@@ -1192,6 +1192,7 @@
       (when (or name address)
 	(add-hook 'message-setup-hook
 		  `(lambda ()
+		     (set 'user-mail-address ,(or (cdr address) user-mail-address))
 		     (let ((user-full-name ,(or (cdr name) user-full-name))
 			   (user-mail-address
 			    ,(or (cdr address) user-mail-address)))
Index: message.el
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/cvs/cvsroot/elisp/pgnus/lisp/message.el,v
retrieving revision 1.1.1.4
diff -u -r1.1.1.4 message.el
--- message.el	1999/09/03 18:17:37	1.1.1.4
+++ message.el	1999/11/17 00:57:02
@@ -2167,7 +2167,11 @@
 		     ;; But some systems are more broken with -f, so
 		     ;; we'll let users override this.
 		     (if (null message-sendmail-f-is-evil)
-			 (list "-f" (user-login-name)))
+			 (list "-f"
+			       (if (null user-mail-address)
+				   (user-login-name)
+				 (user-mail-address))
+			       ))
 		     ;; These mean "report errors by mail"
 		     ;; and "deliver in background".
 		     (if (null message-interactive) '("-oem" "-odb"))

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Turbo Fredriksson]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

    Lars> Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:
    >> I see... Is there a way to specify which entries to use for the
    >> posting styles (aka the old 'gnus-posting-style-alist')?

    Lars> You can specify all the headers you feel like.  See the
    Lars> manual for details.

 Thing is, I would like to set some local variables, that I don't want
in the header.

 For  example, I usually  PGP sign  all my  messages, but  some people
(mostly  Win/Outlook/Beginners)   just  don't  get   it.   They  don't
understand the attach etc, so instead of messing with there systems, I
don't want to sign the message to them.

 Therefor I  want the variables  'turbo/process-*' to be set  for this
particular  group, and  in my  message-send-hook function  I  can then
check  these  variables, and  take  appropriate  action (sign,  spook,
etc) just before the mail/post is delivered to sendmail (or whatever).

I _COULD_ insert a  'X-Spell-This-Message: t' and 'X-PGP-Sign-This-Message: t'
but that's ugly!


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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Emerick Rogul]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

: Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:
:: In some newsgroups I'm subscribed to, I don't want any signature at
:: all to be appended to my messages.  I tried adding (message-signature
:: nil) to my group parameters, but nothing happened.  I also tried
:: adding (signature nil) and (signature "") to that group's
:: posting-style.  Setting it to nil did nothing; setting it to "" was
:: closer, but I was still getting the signature separator at the end of
:: my message.

: I think I've located and fixed this bug.  Could you check after
: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99 has been released to see whether things start
: working?

I've now tested this with the latest pGnus 0.99 in CVS (as of
11/23/1999) and it still doesn't seem quite right (either that, or I'm
doing something completely wrong :).

I have the following in my .gnus file:

(setq gnus-posting-styles
  '((".*"
    (signature-file "~/.my-sig"))))

This will use my standard signature in all groups, and that works
fine.  In one particular group where I don't want to use a signature,
I've added the following to the group parameters:

(posting-style
 (signature nil))

This still appended my signature to new messages.  I then tried the
following:

(posting-style
 (signature-file nil))

but this caused an error (pgnus is expecting a string, I suppose).
Finally, I tried the following which did what I wanted (no signature
for that particular group) but seemed unintuitive:

(posting-style
 (signature t))

If I'm doing something wrong, please let me know, but I think I've
correctly followed all of the instructions in the manual.

-Emerick
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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Kai Großjohann]

Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:

> (posting-style
>  (signature t))

Presumably, Gnus interprets a (signature nil) the same way as a
missing signature entry, ie. `look in the next entry'.  I also think
this behavior ought to be changed.  Or at least, one could document
it...

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:

>  Thing is, I would like to set some local variables, that I don't want
> in the header.

Then you can use the `eval' attribute, I think.

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:

> This still appended my signature to new messages.  I then tried the
> following:
> 
> (posting-style
>  (signature-file nil))
> 
> but this caused an error (pgnus is expecting a string, I suppose).

I think I've located and fixed this bug.  Could you check after
Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99 has been released to see whether things start
working?

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Emerick Rogul]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

: Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:
:: This still appended my signature to new messages.  I then tried the
:: following:
:: 
:: (posting-style
:: (signature-file nil))
:: 
:: but this caused an error (pgnus is expecting a string, I suppose).

: I think I've located and fixed this bug.  Could you check after
: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99 has been released to see whether things start
: working?

It's a little bit better.  :-)

It no longer causes an error, but my signature is still being appended
to articles in that group.  I tried setting 'signature' and
'signature-file' to nil.  The only way that seems to do the right
thing is setting 'signature' to t.

-Emerick
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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:

> It's a little bit better.  :-)

Now, then?  :-)

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Emerick Rogul]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

: Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:
:: It's a little bit better.  :-)

: Now, then?  :-)

I pulled down the latest version from CVS a few moments ago and it's
still the same, unfortunately; (signature t) doesnt add a .sig,
but (signature nil) and (signature-file nil) still do insert the
.sig.

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Turbo Fredriksson]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

    Lars> Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:
    >> Thing is, I would like to set some local variables, that I
    >> don't want in the header.

    Lars> Then you can use the `eval' attribute, I think.

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

    Lars> The final release in the Pterodactyl Gnus line.  Gnus 5.8
    Lars> next!


[...]

    Lars> ChangeLog since last release:


[...]

    Lars> 	* gnus-msg.el (gnus-configure-posting-styles): Eval
    Lars> `eval'.  (gnus-configure-posting-styles): No, don't.
    Lars> (gnus-configure-posting-styles): Allow overriding files.

Exactly what this mean (to me)? My knowledge in elisp isn't that very
great, so could someone give me an example please? Thanx.
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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:

> I pulled down the latest version from CVS a few moments ago and it's
> still the same, unfortunately; (signature t) doesnt add a .sig,
> but (signature nil) and (signature-file nil) still do insert the
> .sig.

Could you edebug-defun `gnus-configure-posting-styles' and see what
the value of `results' is when you reach the line

      ;; Now we have all the styles, so we insert them.

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Turbo Fredriksson <turbo@tripnet.se> writes:

> Exactly what this mean (to me)? My knowledge in elisp isn't that very
> great, so could someone give me an example please? Thanx.

I think it means that `eval' should work.  :-)

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Emerick Rogul]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

: Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:
:: I pulled down the latest version from CVS a few moments ago and it's
:: still the same, unfortunately; (signature t) doesnt add a .sig,
:: but (signature nil) and (signature-file nil) still do insert the
:: .sig.

: Could you edebug-defun `gnus-configure-posting-styles' and see what
: the value of `results' is when you reach the line

:       ;; Now we have all the styles, so we insert them.

OK, I ran it as you said and the value of `results' was
"((signature))" (without quotes).  My posting-style for that newsgroup
is configured in the group parameters as:

(posting-style
 (signature nil))

This is with the released version of Gnus 5.8.2.

-Emerick
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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:

> OK, I ran it as you said and the value of `results' was
> "((signature))" (without quotes). 

Aha!  I think I've fixed it now.  Could you check the cvs in a few
minutes?

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Re: How do I get no signature in particular groups?

[Emerick Rogul]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

: Emerick Rogul <emerick@cs.bu.edu> writes:
:: OK, I ran it as you said and the value of `results' was
:: "((signature))" (without quotes). 

: Aha!  I think I've fixed it now.  Could you check the cvs in a few
: minutes?

Yes, this is working now.  Thanks, Lars!  :-)

-Emerick
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