Re: what the hell is this?

Re: what the hell is this?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes:

> > 	http://www.gnus.com/
> 
> Ugh, what a sin.  I'm glad gnus.org was already taken by the 
> time they decided to register this..

Indeedy. 

I've always considered MS to be unholy purveyors of all that is evil,
but now it's personal.  I'm taking a contract out on Bill.

Although it looks like it's some swede that's actually registered the
domains.  Could somebody pay that cretin a friendly visit?  Perhaps
bring some baseball bats?  I mean, for playing baseball, of course.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: what the hell is this?

[SL Baur]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> I've always considered MS to be unholy purveyors of all that is evil,
> but now it's personal.  I'm taking a contract out on Bill.

Why would you want to take out Mr. Perry?


Bill Gates is taking care of namespace issues:

$ whois microsoft.org
[rs.internic.net]
ONE IN A MILLION LIMITED (MICROSOFT8-DOM)
   Suite 234, 1A PARK PLACE
   LEEDS, LS1 2RU
   UK

   Domain Name: MICROSOFT.ORG
   Domain Status: On Hold
   ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^  ^^ ^^^^


$ whois microsoft.net
[rs.internic.net]
Microcomputing Concepts, Inc. (MICROSOFT2-DOM)
   1456 East 65th Street
   Brooklyn, NY 11234

   Domain Name: MICROSOFT.NET
   Domain Status: On Hold
   ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^  ^^ ^^^^

Re: what the hell is this?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:

> Bill Gates is taking care of namespace issues:

[...]

>    Domain Name: MICROSOFT.ORG
>    Domain Status: On Hold
>    ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^  ^^ ^^^^

Hm.  Could I complain to Internic and get them to revoke gnus.com and
gnus.net?  That is, if we wanted to?  (Perhaps we don't.)  What would
it take?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: what the hell is this?

[Jason R Mastaler]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Hm.  Could I complain to Internic and get them to revoke gnus.com and
> gnus.net?  That is, if we wanted to?  (Perhaps we don't.)  What would
> it take?

Probably legal action if they didn't want to give them up.  The
InterNIC doesn't settle these type of disputes.  

The NSI Domain Name Dispute Policy Statement explains more about this:
http://rs.internic.net/domain-info/internic-domain-6.html

Perhaps it would be better to give Mr. Magnus Brannstrom a phone call
and inquire about his intentions for the two domains?

   Jason R. Mastaler                      jason@mastaler.com

Re: what the hell is this?

[SL Baur]

Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>> Hm.  Could I complain to Internic and get them to revoke gnus.com and
>> gnus.net?  That is, if we wanted to?  (Perhaps we don't.)  What would
>> it take?

At least a trademark on the name `Gnus', it appears.

> Probably legal action if they didn't want to give them up.  The
> InterNIC doesn't settle these type of disputes.  

> The NSI Domain Name Dispute Policy Statement explains more about this:
> http://rs.internic.net/domain-info/internic-domain-6.html

The highlights are:

      - Network Solutions does not act as arbiter of disputes.
       
*  Section 5(b):  Before requesting Network Solutions to take
action pursuant to the Policy,  trademark owners are required to
notify domain name registrants that their registration and use
of the domain name violates the legal rights of the trademark
owner.

*  Section 7:  In those instances when either the domain name
registrant or the trademark owner file suit against the other
regarding the registration and use of the domain name prior to
the domain name being placed on <93>Hold,<94> Network Solutions will
not place the domain name on <93>Hold<94> and will deposit control of
the domain name into the registry of the court.

*  Section 7(c):  Network Solutions will abide by all court
orders without being named as a party to a law suit.

> Perhaps it would be better to give Mr. Magnus Brannstrom a phone call
> and inquire about his intentions for the two domains?

That's worth a try.

Re: what the hell is this?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes:

> Perhaps it would be better to give Mr. Magnus Brannstrom a phone call
> and inquire about his intentions for the two domains?

I'll send him a mail.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: what the hell is this?

[David Blacka]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

 Lars> Hm.  Could I complain to Internic and get them to revoke gnus.com and
 Lars> gnus.net?  That is, if we wanted to?  (Perhaps we don't.)  What would
 Lars> it take?

No. You would have to have a legal right to the name, which basically
means a trademark, I believe.  In that case, though, the InterNIC
doesn't actually get involved except as a neutral third pary.

-- 
David Blacka              Software Engineer        Product Development/
davidb@rwhois.net         Network Solutions, Inc.  Directory Services

Re: what the hell is this?

[David Kågedal]

Also note that trademark laws are different in different
countries. Lars lives in Norway, and www.gnus.com is in Sweden, and
InterNIC is in the USA, so God only knows which laws apply.

-- 
David Kågedal     Lysator Academic Computer Society       davidk@lysator.liu.se
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~davidk/                              +46-13 17 65 89

Re: what the hell is this?

[Jason R Mastaler]

"David Kågedal" <davidk@lysator.liu.se> writes:

> Also note that trademark laws are different in different
> countries. Lars lives in Norway, and www.gnus.com is in Sweden, and
> InterNIC is in the USA, so God only knows which laws apply.

FWIW, this is one of the issues the interim Policy Oversight Committee
(iPOC) claims it will address in it's policy to revamp the Internet's
DNS.  

See http://www.sun.com/sunworldonline/swol-07-1997/swol-07-if.html

   Jason R. Mastaler                      jason@mastaler.com
 

Re: what the hell is this?

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> "David Kågedal" <davidk@lysator.liu.se>:

> Also note that trademark laws are different in different
> countries. Lars lives in Norway, and www.gnus.com is in Sweden, and
> InterNIC is in the USA, so God only knows which laws apply.

Actually, if Lars could get a ruling in his favour here in Norway, the
Swedish goverment would enforce it.  Any ruling, in any court, in one
of the Nordic countries (or "Scandinavia", if you will), is valid in
all Nordic countries.


- Steinar

Re: what the hell is this?

[Jeff Murphy]

i think it is a new site coming online that hasnt removed the
default page that comes with it's webserver? (sun's netra product
does something similar).. 

stephen farrell <sfarrell@healthquiz.com> writes:

> Anyone seen this?
> 
> 	http://www.gnus.com/

Re: what the hell is this?

[Jason R Mastaler]

Jeff Murphy <jcmurphy@smurfland.cit.buffalo.EDU> writes:

> i think it is a new site coming online that hasnt removed the
> default page that comes with it's webserver? (sun's netra product
> does something similar).. 

I'd be interested to see what this "new site" turns out to be.

   Jason R. Mastaler                      jason@mastaler.com

Re: what the hell is this?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes:

> I'd be interested to see what this "new site" turns out to be.

www.gnus.{com,net} is the same machine as kinch.netrus.se.  "netrus"
is swedish for "net intoxication".  Or perhaps they're just doslixec
or something.

Anyway:

Netrus (GNUS4-DOM)
   Mo i Ranagatan 65
   Skelleftea, S-931 57
   SE

   Domain Name: GNUS.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Brannstrom, Magnus  (MB5437)  Magnus.Brannstrom@SA.ERISOFT.SE
      +46 910 531 97 (FAX) +46 910 390 15

Who are these jokers?  Huh?  Huh?  Huh?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: what the hell is this?

[Jason R Mastaler]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> www.gnus.{com,net} is the same machine as kinch.netrus.se.  "netrus"
> is swedish for "net intoxication".  Or perhaps they're just doslixec
> or something.

Or perhaps they fancy big American toy stores (ala www.toysrus.com)

----

 http://www.gnus.com/

               [Image]
 
   Net 'R' Us homepage will be presented on this URL later this year.
 
                           Please be patient!

----

   Jason R. Mastaler                      jason@mastaler.com

Re: what the hell is this?

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "JRM" == Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes:

JRM> I'd be interested to see what this "new site" turns out to be.

XYX:sina:mj/2.0/lib> whois gnus.com
Netrus (GNUS4-DOM)
   Mo i Ranagatan 65
   Skelleftea, S-931 57
   SE

   Domain Name: GNUS.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Brannstrom, Magnus  (MB5437)  Magnus.Brannstrom@SA.ERISOFT.SE
      +46 910 531 97 (FAX) +46 910 390 15
   Billing Contact:
      Brannstrom, Magnus  (MB5437)  Magnus.Brannstrom@SA.ERISOFT.SE
      +46 910 531 97 (FAX) +46 910 390 15

   Record last updated on 17-Apr-97.
   Record created on 17-Apr-97.
   Database last updated on 16-Aug-97 04:20:12 EDT.

At least it's not Microsoft...

 - J<

Re: what the hell is this?

[Jason R Mastaler]

Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:

> JRM> I'd be interested to see what this "new site" turns out to be.
> 
> XYX:sina:mj/2.0/lib> whois gnus.com
> Netrus (GNUS4-DOM)
>    Mo i Ranagatan 65
>    Skelleftea, S-931 57
>    SE
> 
>    Domain Name: GNUS.COM
> 
>    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
>       Brannstrom, Magnus  (MB5437)  Magnus.Brannstrom@SA.ERISOFT.SE
>       +46 910 531 97 (FAX) +46 910 390 15
>    Billing Contact:
>       Brannstrom, Magnus  (MB5437)  Magnus.Brannstrom@SA.ERISOFT.SE
>       +46 910 531 97 (FAX) +46 910 390 15
> 
>    Record last updated on 17-Apr-97.
>    Record created on 17-Apr-97.
>    Database last updated on 16-Aug-97 04:20:12 EDT.
> 
> At least it's not Microsoft...

Yeah.  I was actually referring to "new site" in terms of the website,
since presumeably the stock IIS page will someday be replaced with
native content.

   Jason R. Mastaler                      jason@mastaler.com