* [Edbrowse-dev] OT: Fastmail and the good old days
2016-06-22 1:18 ` [Edbrowse-dev] deobfuscate(js_text) Kevin Carhart
@ 2016-06-22 11:54 ` Chuck Hallenbeck
2016-06-22 12:11 ` [Edbrowse-dev] OT: Fastmail and the good old days (correction) Chuck Hallenbeck
2016-06-22 12:24 ` [Edbrowse-dev] deobfuscate(js_text) Karl Dahlke
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From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ 2016-06-22 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kevin Carhart, Edbrowse Development
Hi friends,
I was a fastmail user for about ten years until a month or two ago.
When I began, they had a single interface which was totally accessible
from the command line, but later they named that interface "classic" and
introduced their "standard" interface. Soon that became the default
and one had to ask for classic for a fully accessible experience.
In recent months they began disabling several specific functions in
the classic interface, so it became impossible to create a new account,
maintain websites on fastmail, configre aliases or spam/virus tools, etc.
One was told to use the standard interface to perform those functions.
It was clear that by "classic," they meant "old-fashioned."
I got nervous about becoming the last passenger with a ticket on the
Titanic, so I abandoned fastmail before they abandoned me.
Hopefully resolving the current issues on fastmail will lead to more
general solutions on other sites as well.
So far I remain a text console command line junky, but that world
is rapidly shrinking, as everyone knows. No longer a groundbreaker,
I've been morphed into a bitter old caretaker. I wish I had my first
computer back. It was a Digital Group desktop box with a Zylog Z-80
8-bit CPU clocked at a blazing4.0 MHz, fully expanded to 64 MB of memory,
with a Votrax VS-1 synthesizer. It originally used audio tape cassettes
for data storage and retrieval.
I added two eight inch floppy drives, and got it to run CP/M with speech
access in the late 1970's. I wrote a grade 2 braille translator in
C for it when the Perkie was announced (The Cranmer Modified Perkins
Brailler), and it also provided me with a talking terminal to access
the KU campus mainframe. Those were the days.
Chuck
--
Willoughby Ohio
Temperature 66?F
Conditions Scattered Clouds
The Moon is Waning Gibbous (96% of Full)
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* [Edbrowse-dev] OT: Fastmail and the good old days (correction)
2016-06-22 1:18 ` [Edbrowse-dev] deobfuscate(js_text) Kevin Carhart
2016-06-22 11:54 ` [Edbrowse-dev] OT: Fastmail and the good old days Chuck Hallenbeck
@ 2016-06-22 12:11 ` Chuck Hallenbeck
2016-06-23 10:26 ` Kevin Carhart
2016-06-22 12:24 ` [Edbrowse-dev] deobfuscate(js_text) Karl Dahlke
2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ 2016-06-22 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kevin Carhart, Edbrowse Development
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Woops! The memory size mentioned below is corrected to KB, not MB. Sorry.
Hi friends,
I was a fastmail user for about ten years until a month or two ago.
When I began, they had a single interface which was totally accessible
from the command line, but later they named that interface "classic" and
introduced their "standard" interface. Soon that became the default
and one had to ask for classic for a fully accessible experience.
In recent months they began disabling several specific functions in
the classic interface, so it became impossible to create a new account,
maintain websites on fastmail, configre aliases or spam/virus tools, etc.
One was told to use the standard interface to perform those functions.
It was clear that by "classic," they meant "old-fashioned."
I got nervous about becoming the last passenger with a ticket on the
Titanic, so I abandoned fastmail before they abandoned me.
Hopefully resolving the current issues on fastmail will lead to more
general solutions on other sites as well.
So far I remain a text console command line junky, but that world
is rapidly shrinking, as everyone knows. No longer a groundbreaker,
I've been morphed into a bitter old caretaker. I wish I had my first
computer back. It was a Digital Group desktop box with a Zylog Z-80
8-bit CPU clocked at a blazing4.0 MHz, fully expanded to 64 KB of memory,
with a Votrax VS-1 synthesizer. It originally used audio tape cassettes
for data storage and retrieval.
I added two eight inch floppy drives, and got it to run CP/M with speech
access in the late 1970's. I wrote a grade 2 braille translator in
C for it when the Perkie was announced (The Cranmer Modified Perkins
Brailler), and it also provided me with a talking terminal to access
the KU campus mainframe. Those were the days.
Chuck
--
Willoughby Ohio
Temperature 66°F
Conditions Scattered Clouds
The Moon is Waning Gibbous (96% of Full)
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* Re: [Edbrowse-dev] OT: Fastmail and the good old days (correction)
2016-06-22 12:11 ` [Edbrowse-dev] OT: Fastmail and the good old days (correction) Chuck Hallenbeck
@ 2016-06-23 10:26 ` Kevin Carhart
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kevin Carhart @ 2016-06-23 10:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chuck Hallenbeck; +Cc: Edbrowse Development
Thanks for writing that, Chuck. That was fun. Though I am sorry to hear
that fastmail's accessibility is going downhill. I hope eventually we
will have working equivalents for whatever sorts of bells and whistles
they have on their standard mode. It may be too slow for some sites, and
you'll find other means of doing something but I hope to get some things
incorporated fairly soon.
>
> Hopefully resolving the current issues on fastmail will lead to more
> general solutions on other sites as well.
Yes, it does for sure. This is what I have discovered. All web pages are
a window on a world, and it's the same world. So I am really working on
amazon, dkb.de, Drescher the metal band, google groups, fastmail, and
others all at the same time, and I do it like a relay. There is beginning
to be a lot of overlap in the kinds of bugs. I feel as though we
are closing in on improvements and there are only so many unaddressed
things lurking out there.
> access in the late 1970's. I wrote a grade 2 braille translator in
> C for it when the Perkie was announced (The Cranmer Modified Perkins
That's awesome.. you shouldn't admit this so loud, or you will be enlisted
to develop edbrowse :)
Kevin
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* [Edbrowse-dev] deobfuscate(js_text)
2016-06-22 1:18 ` [Edbrowse-dev] deobfuscate(js_text) Kevin Carhart
2016-06-22 11:54 ` [Edbrowse-dev] OT: Fastmail and the good old days Chuck Hallenbeck
2016-06-22 12:11 ` [Edbrowse-dev] OT: Fastmail and the good old days (correction) Chuck Hallenbeck
@ 2016-06-22 12:24 ` Karl Dahlke
2016-06-23 10:13 ` Kevin Carhart
2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Karl Dahlke @ 2016-06-22 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: edbrowse-dev
> I am surprised to find that when I rerun fastmail,
> I don't get the TypeError at all.
> Deobfuscation should be only a formatting change,
Perhaps the minimized js is correct according to the js specs,
but is not parsed properly by smjs.
When you clean up the js code, smjs can handle it.
If so this is a bug in smjs and should be reported,
(more research needed here),
and would also be a case for embedding the deobfuscator in the meantime,
as a temp fix, though I would have concerns about that.
Course I would expect a syntax error, not a type error.
Karl Dahlke
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* Re: [Edbrowse-dev] deobfuscate(js_text)
2016-06-22 12:24 ` [Edbrowse-dev] deobfuscate(js_text) Karl Dahlke
@ 2016-06-23 10:13 ` Kevin Carhart
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kevin Carhart @ 2016-06-23 10:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Karl Dahlke; +Cc: edbrowse-dev
Hi Karl and Chuck
Well, it turns out that part two of my message was a false alarm.
Reformatting does not have a mysterious effect on parsing after all, I
just had a confounding variable at the same time. Anyway,
the incorporation of the python beautifier, in the first place, is the
real news! There is indeed a coherent change in the line number for the
bug I was describing, from
$(..) in line 1
to something like
$(..) in line 5017
That's what I was hoping for - I'm still someplace in the middle with
fastmail, but making extra progress as a result of the line numbers!
> Course I would expect a syntax error, not a type error.
Yes, it may be one of those things where the reported cause for runtimes
is skewed relative to what is actually going on. As a matter of fact, I
was thinking recently that when I sit down with pages' worth of edbrowse
output from the higher debug levels, I am generally starting at the
bottom, which may be a mistake. It suddenly hit me that runtimes in these
web pages may be a little like the compilation errors from gcc or
something! Maybe there is a cascading effect, and the errors lower down
are side effects of the first few. So I should be going to the root cause
and starting with the first thing first. I discovered that it makes a
nice debug mode if I add some exit(0) statements to readMessage in ebjs.c.
So this way, the whole program will quit on the very first error, which
forces me to address things in the order they occur.
K
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