Discussion of Homotopy Type Theory and Univalent Foundations
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From: Eric Finster <ericf...@gmail.com>
To: Richard Williamson <rwilli...@gmail.com>,
	Ulrik Buchholtz <ulrikbu...@gmail.com>
Cc: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com>,
	matthie...@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [HoTT] Re: Is [Equiv Type_i Type_i] contractible?
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 10:00:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGYJgtaKz4VW16D0u=svvt7awMvNW47ieQUWcr_+pYr969K0Qw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161030205656.GA1487@richard>

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Just wanted to mention quickly for those who are interested in this kind of
thing that a similar statement for the *stable* homotopy category is a
theorem of Stefan Schwede's:

http://www.math.uni-bonn.de/people/schwede/rigid.pdf

Eric


On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 9:57 PM Richard Williamson <rwilli...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ulrik,
>
> I mis-remembered the history a little: Corollary 5.2.2 of the
> following paper of Toën and Vezzozi, from 2002, also gives a
> proof of a lifting of the hypothèse inspiratrice.
>
> https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0212330
>
> As one would expect, the paper 'La théorie de l'homotopie de
> Grothendieck' of Maltsiniotis also briefly discusses the original
> hypothèse inspiratrice, early on in the introduction (see especially
> the footnote).
>
> I don't think that I know of other direct references beyond these,
> except possibly in other writings of these authors; though the
> quasi-categorical literature also, as one would expect, has a proof of
> the same theorem as in the papers of Cisinski and Toën-Vezzosi.
>
> I think that the Cisinski's paper gives a very clear reason to
> expect the result to be true when formulated in the language of a
> sufficiently rich 'homotopical category theory', whether the
> language be that of derivators, (∞,1)-categories, or whatever.
>
> It is remarkable that the result can be proven relatively easily
> when formulated in a certain language, but if one insists on the
> original version at the level of homotopy categories, then there seems
> to be no way to approach it. This is the aspect of the hypothesis that
> I am most interested in. A proof that the original hypothesis is
> independent of ZFC would no doubt shed some very interesting light on
> this dichotomy.
>
> Best wishes,
> Richard
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 01:38:15PM -0700, Ulrik Buchholtz wrote:
> > Thanks, Richard!
> >
> > Of course, this is not directly pertaining to Matthieu, Nicolas and
> Théo's
> > question, but it's trying to capture an intuition that a universe should
> be
> > rigid, at least when considered together with some structure.
> >
> > How much structure suffices to make the universe rigid, and can we define
> > this extra structure in HoTT? (We don't know how to say yet that the
> > universe can be given the structure of an infinity-category strongly
> > generated by 1, for example.)
> >
> > Do you know other references that pertain to the inspiring
> assumption/hypothèse
> > inspiratrice?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Ulrik
> >
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 9:44:43 PM UTC+2, Richard Williamson
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think the earliest proof of some version of Grothendieck's
> > > hypothèse inspiratrice is in the following paper of Cisinki.
> > >
> > > http://www.tac.mta.ca/tac/volumes/20/17/20-17abs.html
> > >
> > > It is my belief that Grothendieck's original formulation, which
> > > was for the homotopy category itself (as opposed to a lifting of
> > > it), is independent of ZFC. A proof of this would be fascinating.
> > > I have occasionally speculated about trying to use HoTT to give
> > > such an independence proof. Vladimir's comment suggests that one
> > > direction of this is already done.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:12:50AM -0700, Ulrik Buchholtz wrote:
> > > > This is (related to) Grothendieck's “inspiring assumption” of
> Pursuing
> > > > Stacks section 28.
> > > >
> > > > I only know of the treatment by Barwick and Schommer-Pries in On the
> > > > Unicity of the Homotopy Theory of Higher Categories:
> > > > https://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0040
> > > >
> > > > Theorem 8.12 for n=0 says that the Kan complex of homotopy theories
> of
> > > > (infinity,0)-categories is contractible. Of course this depends on
> their
> > > > axiomatization, Definition 6.8. Perhaps some ideas can be adapted.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ulrik
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 5:15:45 PM UTC+2, Matthieu Sozeau
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > >   we've been stuck with N. Tabareau and his student Théo
> Winterhalter
> > > on
> > > > > the above question. Is it the case that all equivalences between a
> > > universe
> > > > > and itself are equivalent to the identity? We can't seem to prove
> (or
> > > > > disprove) this from univalence alone, and even additional
> > > parametricity
> > > > > assumptions do not seem to help. Did we miss a counterexample? Did
> > > anyone
> > > > > investigate this or can produce a proof as an easy corollary? What
> is
> > > the
> > > > > situation in, e.g. the simplicial model?
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Matthieu
> > > > >
> > > >
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  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-31 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-27 15:15 Matthieu Sozeau
2016-10-27 15:19 ` [HoTT] " Martin Escardo
2016-10-27 15:38   ` Martin Escardo
2016-10-27 17:09     ` Nicolai Kraus
2016-10-27 17:08 ` Vladimir Voevodsky
2016-10-27 17:12 ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2016-10-27 19:44   ` [HoTT] " Richard Williamson
2016-10-27 20:38     ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2016-10-30 20:56       ` Richard Williamson
2016-10-31 10:00         ` Eric Finster [this message]
2016-10-31 13:07           ` MLTT with proof-relevant judgmental equality? Neel Krishnaswami
2016-10-31 21:43             ` [HoTT] " Andrej Bauer
2016-10-31 22:01               ` Neel Krishnaswami
2016-10-27 20:18 ` Is [Equiv Type_i Type_i] contractible? nicolas tabareau

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