From: Michael Shulman <shu...@sandiego.edu>
To: Dimitris Tsementzis <dtse...@princeton.edu>
Cc: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [HoTT] A small observation on cumulativity and the failure of initiality
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:31:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOvivQwi52GqQjJ7HgrsOqvx-o3U_9GEyfZq01AsBJw+pWvX5g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F2106ADB-D78F-4228-B0A9-DBC6EC69E96A@princeton.edu>
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Dimitris Tsementzis
<dtse...@princeton.edu> wrote:
> But there are two distinct TT-model homomorphisms
> from C_TT to C_TT*, one which sends p(t0) to pq(t0) and one which sends
> p(t0) to qp(t0) (where p(t0) is regarded as an element of Tm_{C_TT} (empty,
> B(B(T0))), i.e. of the set of terms of B(B(T0)) in the empty context as they
> are interpreted in the term model C_TT).
I don't know how to interpret this. What is T0? What is t0? If
t0:T0 then p(t0) : B(T0), so it seems that it can't be sent to qp(t0)
or pq(t0) which belong to B(B(T0)).
> COROLLARY. Any (non-trivial) type theory with a “cumulativity" rule for
> universes, i.e. a rule of the form
>
> Γ |- A : U0
> ———————— (U-cumul)
> Γ |- A : U1
>
> is not initial.
How does this yield an instance of the previous claim? What is B? What is p?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-10-12 22:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-10-12 18:43 Dimitris Tsementzis
2017-10-12 22:31 ` Michael Shulman [this message]
2017-10-13 4:30 ` [HoTT] " Dimitris Tsementzis
2017-10-13 15:41 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-13 21:51 ` Dimitris Tsementzis
2017-10-13 0:09 ` Steve Awodey
2017-10-13 0:44 ` Alexander Altman
2017-10-13 15:50 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-13 16:17 ` Steve Awodey
2017-10-13 16:23 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-13 16:36 ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-14 14:56 ` Gabriel Scherer
2017-10-15 7:45 ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-15 8:37 ` Thierry Coquand
2017-10-15 9:26 ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-16 5:30 ` Andrew Polonsky
2017-10-15 10:12 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-15 13:57 ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-15 14:53 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-15 16:00 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-15 21:00 ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16 5:09 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-16 12:30 ` Neel Krishnaswami
2017-10-16 13:35 ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16 15:00 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-16 16:34 ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16 13:45 ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16 15:05 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-16 16:20 ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16 16:37 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-16 10:01 ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-15 20:06 ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-13 8:03 ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2017-10-13 8:10 ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-14 7:33 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-10-14 9:37 ` Andrej Bauer
2017-10-14 9:52 ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-14 10:51 ` SV: " Erik Palmgren
2017-10-15 23:42 ` Andrej Bauer
2017-10-15 10:42 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-10-13 22:05 ` Dimitris Tsementzis
2017-10-13 14:12 ` Robin Adams
[not found] <B14E498C-FA19-41D2-B196-42FAF85F8CD8@princeton.edu>
2017-10-14 9:55 ` [HoTT] " Alexander Altman
2017-10-16 10:21 Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-10-16 10:42 ` Andrew Polonsky
2017-10-16 14:12 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-10-16 10:21 Thorsten Altenkirch
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