Discussion of Homotopy Type Theory and Univalent Foundations
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From: Michael Shulman <shu...@sandiego.edu>
To: Dimitris Tsementzis <dtse...@princeton.edu>
Cc: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [HoTT] A small observation on cumulativity and the failure of initiality
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:31:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOvivQwi52GqQjJ7HgrsOqvx-o3U_9GEyfZq01AsBJw+pWvX5g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F2106ADB-D78F-4228-B0A9-DBC6EC69E96A@princeton.edu>

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Dimitris Tsementzis
<dtse...@princeton.edu> wrote:
> But there are two distinct TT-model homomorphisms
> from C_TT to C_TT*, one which sends p(t0) to pq(t0) and one which sends
> p(t0) to qp(t0) (where p(t0) is regarded as an element of Tm_{C_TT} (empty,
> B(B(T0))), i.e. of the set of terms of B(B(T0)) in the empty context as they
> are interpreted in the term model C_TT).

I don't know how to interpret this.  What is T0?  What is t0?  If
t0:T0 then p(t0) : B(T0), so it seems that it can't be sent to qp(t0)
or pq(t0) which belong to B(B(T0)).

> COROLLARY. Any (non-trivial) type theory with a “cumulativity" rule for
> universes, i.e. a rule of the form
>
> Γ |- A : U0
> ————————  (U-cumul)
> Γ |- A : U1
>
> is not initial.

How does this yield an instance of the previous claim?  What is B?  What is p?

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-12 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-12 18:43 Dimitris Tsementzis
2017-10-12 22:31 ` Michael Shulman [this message]
2017-10-13  4:30   ` [HoTT] " Dimitris Tsementzis
2017-10-13 15:41     ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-13 21:51       ` Dimitris Tsementzis
2017-10-13  0:09 ` Steve Awodey
2017-10-13  0:44   ` Alexander Altman
2017-10-13 15:50   ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-13 16:17     ` Steve Awodey
2017-10-13 16:23       ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-13 16:36         ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-14 14:56         ` Gabriel Scherer
2017-10-15  7:45           ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-15  8:37             ` Thierry Coquand
2017-10-15  9:26               ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-16  5:30                 ` Andrew Polonsky
2017-10-15 10:12             ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-15 13:57               ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-15 14:53                 ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-15 16:00                   ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-15 21:00                     ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16  5:09                       ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-16 12:30                         ` Neel Krishnaswami
2017-10-16 13:35                           ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16 15:00                           ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-16 16:34                             ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16 13:45                         ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16 15:05                           ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-16 16:20                             ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-16 16:37                               ` Michael Shulman
2017-10-16 10:01                   ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-15 20:06     ` Matt Oliveri
2017-10-13  8:03 ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2017-10-13  8:10   ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-14  7:33     ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-10-14  9:37       ` Andrej Bauer
2017-10-14  9:52         ` Thomas Streicher
2017-10-14 10:51           ` SV: " Erik Palmgren
2017-10-15 23:42           ` Andrej Bauer
2017-10-15 10:42         ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-10-13 22:05   ` Dimitris Tsementzis
2017-10-13 14:12 ` Robin Adams
     [not found] <B14E498C-FA19-41D2-B196-42FAF85F8CD8@princeton.edu>
2017-10-14  9:55 ` [HoTT] " Alexander Altman
2017-10-16 10:21 Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-10-16 10:42 ` Andrew Polonsky
2017-10-16 14:12   ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-10-16 10:21 Thorsten Altenkirch

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