* [NTG-context] Ukrainian hyphenation?
@ 2023-07-18 22:36 Gerben Wierda
2023-07-19 6:52 ` [NTG-context] " Hans Hagen
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From: Gerben Wierda @ 2023-07-18 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hyphenates russian but not ukrainian. Why?
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2023-07-18 22:36 [NTG-context] Ukrainian hyphenation? Gerben Wierda
@ 2023-07-19 6:52 ` Hans Hagen
2023-07-19 6:58 ` Gerben Wierda
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2023-07-19 6:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 7/19/2023 12:36 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> This file:
>
> \setupinteraction
> [state=start,
> color=blue,
> style=bold]
>
> \definefallbackfamily
> [archimate]
> [ss]
> [Helvetica]
> [preset=range:cyrillic,
> tf=style:light,
> it=style:lightoblique,
> bf=style:regular,
> bi=style:oblique,
> force=yes,
> rscale=1.0]
> \definefontfamily [archimate] [ss] [Helvetica]
> \setupbodyfont[archimate]
>
> \starttext
> \setuplanguage[en][patterns={ru}]\mainlanguage[ru]
> {\framed[frame=on,align=flushleft,width=7cm]{Техніка здатна до фізичної поведінки (на відміну від інформаційної поведінки). Наприклад `Металургійний комбінат'.}}\\
> \setuplanguage[ua][patterns={ua}]\mainlanguage[ua]
> {\framed[frame=on,align=flushleft,width=7cm]{Техніка здатна до фізичної поведінки (на відміну від інформаційної поведінки). Наприклад `Металургійний комбінат'.}}\\
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>
> Hyphenates russian but not ukrainian. Why?
If there was some magick like that going on it should be the reverse
right now. That said,
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Техніка здатна до фізичної поведінки (на відміну від інформаційної
поведінки). Наприклад `Металургійний комбінат'.
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\mainlanguage[ua] {\hsize3cm \getbuffer[sample]}
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hyphenates differently and eventually reports
mkiv lua stats > loaded patterns: en::1 ru::22 ua::23
so best not mess with setting up languages that already have been set up.
Hans
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* [NTG-context] Re: Ukrainian hyphenation?
2023-07-19 6:52 ` [NTG-context] " Hans Hagen
@ 2023-07-19 6:58 ` Gerben Wierda
2023-07-19 7:17 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Gerben Wierda @ 2023-07-19 6:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> On 19 Jul 2023, at 08:52, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> so best not mess with setting up languages that already have been set up.
I had no idea I was messing. What am I doing wrong, then. Because in my actual document with ua language setting it is not hyphenated. This was just a minimal example
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* [NTG-context] Re: Ukrainian hyphenation?
2023-07-19 6:58 ` Gerben Wierda
@ 2023-07-19 7:17 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2023-08-05 13:23 ` [NTG-context] \phrasetext issue with language uk. Was: " Gerben Wierda
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2023-07-19 7:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 7/19/2023 8:58 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>
>
>> On 19 Jul 2023, at 08:52, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> so best not mess with setting up languages that already have been set up.
>
> I had no idea I was messing. What am I doing wrong, then. Because in my actual document with ua language setting it is not hyphenated. This was just a minimal example
do you get something similar?
>mtxrun lang-uk.lua
c:/data/develop/tex-context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/patterns/mkiv/lang-uk.lua
uk is the offical tag but for historic reasone we use ua as language;
given the uk's exit and ua's entry in the european union we could now
consider adapting it; and i'd wonder is anyone would notice - or bother
- is we'd use ukrain hyphenation for russian, which could save some
bytes in the distribution
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* [NTG-context] \phrasetext issue with language uk. Was: Ukrainian hyphenation?
2023-07-19 7:17 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
@ 2023-08-05 13:23 ` Gerben Wierda
2023-08-05 13:43 ` [NTG-context] " Gerben Wierda
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From: Gerben Wierda @ 2023-08-05 13:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> On 19 Jul 2023, at 09:17, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>
> On 7/19/2023 8:58 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>>> On 19 Jul 2023, at 08:52, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>> so best not mess with setting up languages that already have been set up.
>> I had no idea I was messing. What am I doing wrong, then. Because in my actual document with ua language setting it is not hyphenated. This was just a minimal example
>
> do you get something similar?
>
> >mtxrun lang-uk.lua
> c:/data/develop/tex-context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/patterns/mkiv/lang-uk.lua
>
> uk is the offical tag but for historic reasone we use ua as language; given the uk's exit and ua's entry in the european union we could now consider adapting it; and i'd wonder is anyone would notice - or bother - is we'd use ukrain hyphenation for russian, which could save some bytes in the distribution
Yes, that solved the hyphenation issue. But now I am having trouble with \phrasetext. When using uk as language code, \phrasetext does not work.
So, use 'ua', \phrasetext works, but hyphenation does not
And use 'uk', hyphenation works, but \phrasetext does not
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* [NTG-context] Re: \phrasetext issue with language uk. Was: Ukrainian hyphenation?
2023-08-05 13:23 ` [NTG-context] \phrasetext issue with language uk. Was: " Gerben Wierda
@ 2023-08-05 13:43 ` Gerben Wierda
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Basically, the situation then is, the language is called ua but the patterns are called uk?
> On 5 Aug 2023, at 15:23, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 19 Jul 2023, at 09:17, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/19/2023 8:58 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>>>> On 19 Jul 2023, at 08:52, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> so best not mess with setting up languages that already have been set up.
>>> I had no idea I was messing. What am I doing wrong, then. Because in my actual document with ua language setting it is not hyphenated. This was just a minimal example
>>
>> do you get something similar?
>>
>>> mtxrun lang-uk.lua
>> c:/data/develop/tex-context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/patterns/mkiv/lang-uk.lua
>>
>> uk is the offical tag but for historic reasone we use ua as language; given the uk's exit and ua's entry in the european union we could now consider adapting it; and i'd wonder is anyone would notice - or bother - is we'd use ukrain hyphenation for russian, which could save some bytes in the distribution
>
> Yes, that solved the hyphenation issue. But now I am having trouble with \phrasetext. When using uk as language code, \phrasetext does not work.
>
> So, use 'ua', \phrasetext works, but hyphenation does not
> And use 'uk', hyphenation works, but \phrasetext does not
>
> %==========================================
> \definefallbackfamily
> [archimate]
> [ss]
> [Helvetica]
> [preset=range:cyrillic,
> tf=style:light,
> it=style:lightoblique,
> bf=style:regular,
> bi=style:oblique,
> force=yes,
> rscale=1.0]
> \definefontfamily [archimate] [ss] [Helvetica]
> \setupbodyfont[archimate]
>
> \definelabelclass[phrase]
> \setupphrasetext[en][sheettitle={ArchiMate® 3.2 Metamodel -- Core}]
> \setupphrasetext[ru][sheettitle={Ядро метамодели ArchiMate® 3.2}]
> \setupphrasetext[uk][sheettitle={Основні елементи метамоделі ArchiMate® 3.2}]
> \setupphrasetext[ua][sheettitle={Основні елементи метамоделі ArchiMate® 3.2}]
>
> \starttext
> \setuplanguage[uk][patterns={uk}]\mainlanguage[uk]
> \phrasetext{sheettitle}
>
> \setuplanguage[ru][patterns={ru}]\mainlanguage[ru]
> \phrasetext{sheettitle}
>
> \setuplanguage[uk][patterns={uk}]\mainlanguage[uk]
> \phrasetext{sheettitle}
>
> \setuplanguage[ua][patterns={ua}]\mainlanguage[ua]
> \phrasetext{sheettitle}
> \stoptext
> %==========================================
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