{\rm foo {\it bar}}

{\rm foo {\it bar}}

[Gerben Wierda]

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If I typeset

{\rm foo{\it bar}}

bar is not in italic

if I typeset

{\it bar}

it is.

What am I missing?

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Re: {\rm foo {\it bar}}

[Gerben Wierda]

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After erasing the font cache and regenerating LM was doing it right again.

Helvetica did not, but maybe I made a mistake in

\definefontfamily
  [helvetica]
  [ss]
  [Helvetica]
  [tf=style:Regular,
   bf=style:Bold,
   it=style:Oblique,
   bi=style:Bold Oblique]

\starttext
{\rm The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog {\it Optima}}
\setupbodyfont[helvetica]
{\rm The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog {\it Optima}}
\stoptext


> On 4 Jul 2023, at 22:52, Bruce Horrocks <bruce@scorecrow.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Jun 2023, at 10:47, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl <mailto:gerben.wierda@rna.nl>> wrote:
>> 
>> If I typeset
>> 
>> {\rm foo{\it bar}}
>> 
>> bar is not in italic
> 
> It is in italic for me in ConTeXt  ver: 2023.06.04 
> 
>> if I typeset
>> 
>> {\it bar}
>> 
>> it is.
>> 
>> What am I missing?
>> 
>> Gerben Wierda (LinkedIn, Mastodon)
>> R&A IT Strategy (main site)
>> Book: Chess and the Art of Enterprise Architecture
>> Book: Mastering ArchiMate
> 
> —
> Bruce Horrocks
> Hampshire, UK

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Re: {\rm foo {\it bar}}

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Gerben Wierda schrieb am 04.07.2023 um 23:17:
> After erasing the font cache and regenerating LM was doing it right 
> again.
>
> Helvetica did not, but maybe I made a mistake in
>
> \definefontfamily
> [helvetica]
>   [ss]
> [Helvetica]
> [tf=style:Regular,
>    bf=style:Bold,
>    it=style:Oblique,
> bi=style:Bold Oblique]

Does it work when you remove the manual assignments to tf, it, etc. or 
when you use lowercase names (without spaces), e.g. "bi=boldoblique" (or 
"bi=bolditalic").

Wolfgang


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Re: {\rm foo {\it bar}}

[Bruce Horrocks]

> On 30 Jun 2023, at 10:47, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote:
> 
> If I typeset
> 
> {\rm foo{\it bar}}
> 
> bar is not in italic

It is in italic for me in ConTeXt  ver: 2023.06.04 

> if I typeset
> 
> {\it bar}
> 
> it is.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
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Re: {\rm foo {\it bar}}

[Gerben Wierda]

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> On 4 Jul 2023, at 23:26, Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Gerben Wierda schrieb am 04.07.2023 um 23:17:
>> After erasing the font cache and regenerating LM was doing it right again.
>> 
>> Helvetica did not, but maybe I made a mistake in
>> 
>> \definefontfamily
>>   [helvetica]
>>   [ss]
>>   [Helvetica]
>>   [tf=style:Regular,
>>    bf=style:Bold,
>>    it=style:Oblique,
>>    bi=style:Bold Oblique]
> 
> Does it work when you remove the manual assignments to tf, it, etc. or when you use lowercase names (without spaces), e.g. "bi=boldoblique" (or "bi=bolditalic").

No and no. With th elatter it doesn't load Helvetica at all, Error shown:
selectfont      > the requested font 'Helvetica' has no files for the 'tf' alternative, Latin Modern is used instead.
mkiv lua stats  > loaded fonts: 4 files: latinmodern-math.otf, lmroman10-italic.otf, lmroman10-regular.otf, lmsans10-regular.otf

With my original it does load (but no italic):
mkiv lua stats  > loaded fonts: 4 files: helvetica.ttc, latinmodern-math.otf, lmroman10-italic.otf, lmroman10-regular.otf


Erase cache, regenerate formats, reload fonts (force) does give another (probably unrelated) error:

fonts           | names | identifying system font files with suffix 'ttf'
fonts           | names | globbing path '/Library/Fonts/**.ttf'
fonts           | names | globbing path '/System/Library/Fonts/**.ttf'
otf reader      | fatal error in file '/System/Library/Fonts/SFCompactRounded.ttf': ...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-dsp.lua:3689: attempt to index a nil value (field '?')
stack traceback:
	...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-otr.lua:2344: in metamethod 'index'
	...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-dsp.lua:3689: in local 'reader'
	...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-otr.lua:2089: in upvalue 'readtable'


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Re: {\rm foo {\it bar}}

[Gerben Wierda]

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Also doesn't work with ConTeXt  ver: 2023.06.22 14:13 LMTX  fmt: 2023.7.4  int: english/english

> On 4 Jul 2023, at 23:42, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Jul 2023, at 23:26, Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com <mailto:wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Gerben Wierda schrieb am 04.07.2023 um 23:17:
>>> After erasing the font cache and regenerating LM was doing it right again.
>>> 
>>> Helvetica did not, but maybe I made a mistake in
>>> 
>>> \definefontfamily
>>>   [helvetica]
>>>   [ss]
>>>   [Helvetica]
>>>   [tf=style:Regular,
>>>    bf=style:Bold,
>>>    it=style:Oblique,
>>>    bi=style:Bold Oblique]
>> 
>> Does it work when you remove the manual assignments to tf, it, etc. or when you use lowercase names (without spaces), e.g. "bi=boldoblique" (or "bi=bolditalic").
> 
> No and no. With th elatter it doesn't load Helvetica at all, Error shown:
> selectfont      > the requested font 'Helvetica' has no files for the 'tf' alternative, Latin Modern is used instead.
> mkiv lua stats  > loaded fonts: 4 files: latinmodern-math.otf, lmroman10-italic.otf, lmroman10-regular.otf, lmsans10-regular.otf
> 
> With my original it does load (but no italic):
> mkiv lua stats  > loaded fonts: 4 files: helvetica.ttc, latinmodern-math.otf, lmroman10-italic.otf, lmroman10-regular.otf
> 
> 
> Erase cache, regenerate formats, reload fonts (force) does give another (probably unrelated) error:
> 
> fonts           | names | identifying system font files with suffix 'ttf'
> fonts           | names | globbing path '/Library/Fonts/**.ttf'
> fonts           | names | globbing path '/System/Library/Fonts/**.ttf'
> otf reader      | fatal error in file '/System/Library/Fonts/SFCompactRounded.ttf': ...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-dsp.lua:3689: attempt to index a nil value (field '?')
> stack traceback:
> 	...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-otr.lua:2344: in metamethod 'index'
> 	...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-dsp.lua:3689: in local 'reader'
> 	...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-otr.lua:2089: in upvalue 'readtable'
> 
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Re: {\rm foo {\it bar}}

[Gerben Wierda]

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Found it (I think)

\definefontfamily defines tf= but the text says \rm

If I use \tf in the text it works.
If I use \rm in the text it works for default Latin Modern but not for any font defined. This is true regardless of using rm= or tf= in the definition.

So, it seems to be the combination of using definefontfamily and \rm

> On 4 Jul 2023, at 23:48, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote:
> 
> Also doesn't work with ConTeXt  ver: 2023.06.22 14:13 LMTX  fmt: 2023.7.4  int: english/english
> 
>> On 4 Jul 2023, at 23:42, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl <mailto:gerben.wierda@rna.nl>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Jul 2023, at 23:26, Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com <mailto:wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gerben Wierda schrieb am 04.07.2023 um 23:17:
>>>> After erasing the font cache and regenerating LM was doing it right again.
>>>> 
>>>> Helvetica did not, but maybe I made a mistake in
>>>> 
>>>> \definefontfamily
>>>>   [helvetica]
>>>>   [ss]
>>>>   [Helvetica]
>>>>   [tf=style:Regular,
>>>>    bf=style:Bold,
>>>>    it=style:Oblique,
>>>>    bi=style:Bold Oblique]
>>> 
>>> Does it work when you remove the manual assignments to tf, it, etc. or when you use lowercase names (without spaces), e.g. "bi=boldoblique" (or "bi=bolditalic").
>> 
>> No and no. With th elatter it doesn't load Helvetica at all, Error shown:
>> selectfont      > the requested font 'Helvetica' has no files for the 'tf' alternative, Latin Modern is used instead.
>> mkiv lua stats  > loaded fonts: 4 files: latinmodern-math.otf, lmroman10-italic.otf, lmroman10-regular.otf, lmsans10-regular.otf
>> 
>> With my original it does load (but no italic):
>> mkiv lua stats  > loaded fonts: 4 files: helvetica.ttc, latinmodern-math.otf, lmroman10-italic.otf, lmroman10-regular.otf
>> 
>> 
>> Erase cache, regenerate formats, reload fonts (force) does give another (probably unrelated) error:
>> 
>> fonts           | names | identifying system font files with suffix 'ttf'
>> fonts           | names | globbing path '/Library/Fonts/**.ttf'
>> fonts           | names | globbing path '/System/Library/Fonts/**.ttf'
>> otf reader      | fatal error in file '/System/Library/Fonts/SFCompactRounded.ttf': ...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-dsp.lua:3689: attempt to index a nil value (field '?')
>> stack traceback:
>> 	...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-otr.lua:2344: in metamethod 'index'
>> 	...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-dsp.lua:3689: in local 'reader'
>> 	...-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/font-otr.lua:2089: in upvalue 'readtable'
>> 
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Re: {\rm foo {\it bar}}

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Re: {\rm foo {\it bar}}

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 05.07.23 um 07:57 schrieb Gerben Wierda:
> And the reason probably is that the font is defined as sans serif [ss]?

Well, if you only define a sans font, \rm is somewhat undefined.

You call the upright variant with \tf; \rm switches to the serif font.

Hraban
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