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From: bakul@bitblocks.com (Bakul Shah)
Subject: [TUHS] basic tools / Universal Unix
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:40:35 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <04264EA4-7B79-4009-98CA-468949D776EF@bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171115171226.935CD1F978@orac.inputplus.co.uk>

On Nov 15, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Ralph Corderoy <ralph at inputplus.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Noel,
> 
>> I've often tried to understand why some people create these incredibly
>> complicated systems. (Looking at the voluminous LISP Machine manual set from
>> Symbolics particularly caused this train of thought...) I think it's because
>> they are too smart - they can remember all that stuff.
> 
> But smart people don't have to create complex stuff, see Unix.  :-)
> Perhaps it's not because these designers of complexity have good recall,
> but a mixture of the Brooks's Second-System Effect,
> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/second-system-effect.html
> and not being constrained.

There are two kinds of smarts: people who can remember (and
even delight in learning) a lot of complex details and add
to it, and people who don't like to (or can't) remember a
lot of complex details and try to remove complexity. I think
both are needed. You don't want the first kind to design a
system and you don't want the second kind to maintain a
system.

But over time software complexity creeps in like disorder.
You have to constantly try to keep things neat but often
(you feel) you don't have time for it. "Technical debt" is
basically the result of procrastination!


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-15 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-15 14:06 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-15 17:12 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-15 17:47   ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-15 18:40   ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2017-11-15 19:58     ` Larry McVoy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-11-01 22:51 Norman Wilson
2017-11-01 23:09 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-11-02 20:29 ` Grant Taylor
2017-10-31 19:23 Norman Wilson
2017-10-30 21:40 Noel Chiappa
2017-10-30 14:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-10-30 14:40 ` Clem Cole
2017-10-30 15:23 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-10-30 20:56 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-10-31 10:50   ` Ronald Natalie
2017-11-01  3:23     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-01 13:25       ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-11-16  1:17         ` Dario Niedermann
2017-11-15  1:25       ` Nemo
2017-11-15  2:10         ` Will Senn
2017-11-15  2:16           ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-15  2:37             ` Warner Losh
2017-11-15  3:07               ` Will Senn
2017-11-15 16:13                 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-15 16:23                   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-15 16:48                     ` Clem Cole
2017-11-15 18:13                       ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-15 19:01                         ` Clem Cole
2017-11-15  9:58               ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-15 11:42           ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 14:05     ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 16:42       ` arnold
2017-11-01 17:17         ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 18:03           ` Dan Cross
2017-11-01 18:06           ` arnold
2017-11-01 20:16             ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-01 20:37               ` arnold
2017-11-01 21:04                 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-02  0:05                 ` Chet Ramey
2017-11-02  0:10             ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-31 16:43   ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-02 17:48   ` Paul Winalski
2017-10-30 21:50 ` Charles Anthony
2017-10-18 23:03 Doug McIlroy
2017-10-19  3:53 ` Random832
2017-10-19 14:33   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-19 14:41     ` Random832
2017-10-19 21:03       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-20 19:54       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-19 14:32 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-16 17:52 Clem Cole
2017-10-16 18:54 ` Dan Cross
2017-10-17 13:51   ` Tony Finch
2017-10-17 20:22     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-16 20:05 ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-30  0:55   ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-30  2:54     ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-30 14:05       ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-16 20:39 ` Andy Kosela

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