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From: crossd@gmail.com (Dan Cross)
Subject: [TUHS] basic tools / Universal Unix
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:54:33 -0400	[thread overview]
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On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Jon Steinhart <jon at fourwinds.com> wrote:
>> I have a similar and maybe even more extreme position.  When I was a
>> manager
>> I placed restrictions on the tools and customizations for members of my
>> team.
>> My goal was to make sure that any team member could go over to any other
>> team
>> member's desk and get stuff done.
>
>
> And I think this loops back to what started some of this threat.  The idea
> of a programmer with 'good taste.'
> Rob (and Brian) railed on BSD in cat -v considered harmful and ‘Program
> Design in the UNIX Environment’ (pdf version, ps version) but the points in
> it was then and are still now, fresh:  What is it that you need to get the
> job done - to me, that is Doug's "Universal Unix" concept.

This is an aside, but I must admit -- with a sense of mild shame --
that the '-v' option to cat is one that I use with some regularity.
The irony is that I probably would not have done so had it NOT been
for the aforementioned paper, which made me aware of it (and how ugly
it is). That is, whenever I want to do the sort of thing that 'cat -v'
does, I remember that paper and think to myself, "oh yeah...`cat -v`
does that."

The suggested alternative of a special-purpose tool never struck me as
satisfactory since such a tool did not exist as a matter of course on
the multitude of machines that I might log into, and/or I didn't have
time or was too lazy to write it myself. Cue segue to lamentation of
the loss of systems promoting a network-aware filesystem namespace
where such things could be written once and then follow me around....

        - Dan C.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-16 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-16 17:52 Clem Cole
2017-10-16 18:16 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2017-10-16 20:39   ` Toby Thain
2017-10-16 18:54 ` Dan Cross [this message]
2017-10-17 13:51   ` [TUHS] " Tony Finch
2017-10-17 20:22     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-16 20:05 ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-30  0:55   ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-30  2:54     ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-30 14:05       ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-16 20:39 ` Andy Kosela
2017-10-18 23:03 Doug McIlroy
2017-10-19  3:53 ` Random832
2017-10-19 14:33   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-19 14:41     ` Random832
2017-10-19 21:03       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-20 19:54       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-19 14:32 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-30 14:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-10-30 14:40 ` Clem Cole
2017-10-30 15:23 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-10-30 20:56 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-10-31 10:50   ` Ronald Natalie
2017-11-01  3:23     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-01 13:25       ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-11-16  1:17         ` Dario Niedermann
2017-11-15  1:25       ` Nemo
2017-11-15  2:10         ` Will Senn
2017-11-15  2:16           ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-15  2:37             ` Warner Losh
2017-11-15  3:07               ` Will Senn
2017-11-15 16:13                 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-15 16:23                   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-15 16:48                     ` Clem Cole
2017-11-15 18:13                       ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-15 19:01                         ` Clem Cole
2017-11-15  9:58               ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-15 11:42           ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 14:05     ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 16:42       ` arnold
2017-11-01 17:17         ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 18:03           ` Dan Cross
2017-11-01 18:06           ` arnold
2017-11-01 20:16             ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-01 20:37               ` arnold
2017-11-01 21:04                 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-02  0:05                 ` Chet Ramey
2017-11-02  0:10             ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-31 16:43   ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-02 17:48   ` Paul Winalski
2017-10-30 21:50 ` Charles Anthony
2017-10-30 21:40 Noel Chiappa
2017-10-31 19:23 Norman Wilson
2017-11-01 22:51 Norman Wilson
2017-11-01 23:09 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-11-02 20:29 ` Grant Taylor
2017-11-15 14:06 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-15 17:12 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-15 17:47   ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-15 18:40   ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-15 19:58     ` Larry McVoy

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