From: crossd@gmail.com (Dan Cross)
Subject: [TUHS] basic tools / Universal Unix
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:54:33 -0400 [thread overview]
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On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Jon Steinhart <jon at fourwinds.com> wrote:
>> I have a similar and maybe even more extreme position. When I was a
>> manager
>> I placed restrictions on the tools and customizations for members of my
>> team.
>> My goal was to make sure that any team member could go over to any other
>> team
>> member's desk and get stuff done.
>
>
> And I think this loops back to what started some of this threat. The idea
> of a programmer with 'good taste.'
> Rob (and Brian) railed on BSD in cat -v considered harmful and ‘Program
> Design in the UNIX Environment’ (pdf version, ps version) but the points in
> it was then and are still now, fresh: What is it that you need to get the
> job done - to me, that is Doug's "Universal Unix" concept.
This is an aside, but I must admit -- with a sense of mild shame --
that the '-v' option to cat is one that I use with some regularity.
The irony is that I probably would not have done so had it NOT been
for the aforementioned paper, which made me aware of it (and how ugly
it is). That is, whenever I want to do the sort of thing that 'cat -v'
does, I remember that paper and think to myself, "oh yeah...`cat -v`
does that."
The suggested alternative of a special-purpose tool never struck me as
satisfactory since such a tool did not exist as a matter of course on
the multitude of machines that I might log into, and/or I didn't have
time or was too lazy to write it myself. Cue segue to lamentation of
the loss of systems promoting a network-aware filesystem namespace
where such things could be written once and then follow me around....
- Dan C.
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Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-10-16 17:52 Clem Cole
2017-10-16 18:16 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2017-10-16 20:39 ` Toby Thain
2017-10-16 18:54 ` Dan Cross [this message]
2017-10-17 13:51 ` [TUHS] " Tony Finch
2017-10-17 20:22 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-16 20:05 ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-30 0:55 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-30 2:54 ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-30 14:05 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-16 20:39 ` Andy Kosela
2017-10-18 23:03 Doug McIlroy
2017-10-19 3:53 ` Random832
2017-10-19 14:33 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-19 14:41 ` Random832
2017-10-19 21:03 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-20 19:54 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-19 14:32 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-30 14:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-10-30 14:40 ` Clem Cole
2017-10-30 15:23 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-10-30 20:56 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-10-31 10:50 ` Ronald Natalie
2017-11-01 3:23 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-01 13:25 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-11-16 1:17 ` Dario Niedermann
2017-11-15 1:25 ` Nemo
2017-11-15 2:10 ` Will Senn
2017-11-15 2:16 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-15 2:37 ` Warner Losh
2017-11-15 3:07 ` Will Senn
2017-11-15 16:13 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-15 16:23 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-15 16:48 ` Clem Cole
2017-11-15 18:13 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-15 19:01 ` Clem Cole
2017-11-15 9:58 ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-15 11:42 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 14:05 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 16:42 ` arnold
2017-11-01 17:17 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 18:03 ` Dan Cross
2017-11-01 18:06 ` arnold
2017-11-01 20:16 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-01 20:37 ` arnold
2017-11-01 21:04 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-02 0:05 ` Chet Ramey
2017-11-02 0:10 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-31 16:43 ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-02 17:48 ` Paul Winalski
2017-10-30 21:50 ` Charles Anthony
2017-10-30 21:40 Noel Chiappa
2017-10-31 19:23 Norman Wilson
2017-11-01 22:51 Norman Wilson
2017-11-01 23:09 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-11-02 20:29 ` Grant Taylor
2017-11-15 14:06 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-15 17:12 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-15 17:47 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-15 18:40 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-15 19:58 ` Larry McVoy
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