* [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
@ 2018-09-28 23:04 Warren Toomey
2018-09-28 23:20 ` Nelson H. F. Beebe
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From: Warren Toomey @ 2018-09-28 23:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: tuhs
All, I just got an e-mail from a TUHS member who would like to lay their
hands on a copy of the original Unix SOSP paper:
Anyway, I am trying to get my hands on the original 1972/73 paper on The
UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM that was published at the SOSP ‘73 Proceedings
of the fourth ACM symposium on operating system principles.
I do have the 1974 and 1978 reprint papers. But, I really want the
1972/73 original. I see it in the ACM digital library, but the full
text PDF prints only the abstract.
Does anybody have a scan of the original SOSP paper?
I'd also like a copy of the 1974 reprint in CACM.
Thanks, Warren
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
2018-09-28 23:04 [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper? Warren Toomey
@ 2018-09-28 23:20 ` Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-09-28 23:55 ` Warren Toomey
2018-09-28 23:24 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-09-28 23:24 ` Warren Toomey
2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Nelson H. F. Beebe @ 2018-09-28 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs
Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> asks on Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:04:44 +1000 for
a copy of the original 1972/73 paper on The UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM
that was published at the SOSP bProceedings of the fourth ACM
symposium on operating system principles.
The URL in this entry from unix.bib works for me:
@InProceedings{Ritchie:1973:UTSa,
author = "Dennis M. Ritchie and Ken Thompson",
editor = "{ACM}",
booktitle = "Fourth ACM Symposium on Operating Systems Principles,
IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center, Yorktown Heights,
New York, October 15-17, 1973",
title = "The {UNIX} time-sharing system",
publisher = pub-ACM,
address = pub-ACM:adr,
pages = "??--??",
year = "1973",
bibdate = "Thu Feb 23 07:01:17 2017",
bibsource = "http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/unix.bib",
URL = "https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/cacm.html",
acknowledgement = ack-nhfb,
remark = "This electronic edition of this paper is a reprint of
the version appearing in The Bell System Technical
Journal 57 no. 6, part 2 (July--August 1978). In turn,
that was a revised version of an article that appeared
in Communications of the ACM, 17, No. 7 (July 1974),
pp. 365--375. That article was a revised version of a
paper presented at the Fourth ACM Symposium on
Operating Systems Principles, IBM Thomas J. Watson
Research Center, Yorktown Heights, New York, October
15--17, 1973. Most of the differences between versions
occur between the C. ACM version and the BSTJ printing;
we incorporated updated numbers and material on
portability.",
}
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
2018-09-28 23:04 [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper? Warren Toomey
2018-09-28 23:20 ` Nelson H. F. Beebe
@ 2018-09-28 23:24 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-09-28 23:24 ` Warren Toomey
2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Kurt H Maier @ 2018-09-28 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:04:44AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a scan of the original SOSP paper?
Page 27 was the abstract, and page 28 was ARGOS. I'm not sure the paper
actually appeared in that publication; it seems it was presented at SOSP
but not published until CACM a year later. Can someone clarify?
khm
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
2018-09-28 23:04 [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper? Warren Toomey
2018-09-28 23:20 ` Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-09-28 23:24 ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2018-09-28 23:24 ` Warren Toomey
2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Warren Toomey @ 2018-09-28 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: tuhs
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:04:44AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> Does anybody have a scan of the original SOSP paper?
> I'd also like a copy of the 1974 reprint in CACM.
Hah, I found a copy of the CACM reprint here:
https://www2.cs.duke.edu/courses/cps210/spring16/resources/papers/p365-ritchie.pdf
Cheers, Warren
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
2018-09-28 23:20 ` Nelson H. F. Beebe
@ 2018-09-28 23:55 ` Warren Toomey
2018-09-29 0:15 ` Charles H. Sauer
2018-09-29 0:48 ` Kurt H Maier
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From: Warren Toomey @ 2018-09-28 23:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nelson H. F. Beebe; +Cc: tuhs
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:20:53PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
> Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> asks on Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:04:44 +1000 for
> a copy of the original 1972/73 paper on The UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM
> that was published at the SOSP Proceedings of the fourth ACM
> symposium on operating system principles.
>
> The URL in this entry from unix.bib works for me:
Ah, but:
> remark = "This electronic edition of this paper is a reprint of
> the version appearing in The Bell System Technical
> Journal 57 no. 6, part 2 (July--August 1978). In turn,
> that was a revised version of an article that appeared
> in Communications of the ACM, 17, No. 7 (July 1974),
> pp. 365--375. That article was a revised version of a
> paper presented at the Fourth ACM Symposium on
> Operating Systems Principles, IBM Thomas J. Watson
> Research Center, Yorktown Heights, New York, October
> 15--17, 1973. Most of the differences between versions
> occur between the C. ACM version and the BSTJ printing;
> we incorporated updated numbers and material on
> portability.",
so not the original SOSP paper or the original 1974 CACM paper :-)
However, it's yet another version of the paper.
I've spent some time tracking down the various "versions" of this paper.
So far, I know of:
+ the mid-1971 draft, available at https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/McIlroy_v0/UnixEditionZero-Threshold_OCR.pdf
+ a later version which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I
haven't been able to get my hands on
+ the SOSP presentation, still unclear if there was an actual paper
+ the 1974 CACM paper
+ the version in 6th Edition Unix, available at https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V6/usr/doc/unix
+ the 1978 BSTL version cited above
Are there any others that people know about that I've missed?
I would like to do some work on how the content changed over time.
The result would be, for me, an interesting paper to read but somehow
I think the readership base would be limited :-)
Cheers, Warren
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
2018-09-28 23:55 ` Warren Toomey
@ 2018-09-29 0:15 ` Charles H. Sauer
2018-09-29 0:48 ` Kurt H Maier
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Charles H. Sauer @ 2018-09-29 0:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs
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As Kurt has already remarked, the page counts at https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=800009&picked=prox <https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=800009&picked=prox> seem all but conclusive that only the abstract was published as part of the '73 SOSP. I have old paper copies of OSR & SOSP stuff in the attic, but I don’t think they start until ’75. Next time I’m looking there, which is probably months or more away, I’ll verify. Charlie
> On Sep 28, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:20:53PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
>> Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> asks on Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:04:44 +1000 for
>> a copy of the original 1972/73 paper on The UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM
>> that was published at the SOSP Proceedings of the fourth ACM
>> symposium on operating system principles.
>>
>> The URL in this entry from unix.bib works for me:
>
> Ah, but:
>
>> remark = "This electronic edition of this paper is a reprint of
>> the version appearing in The Bell System Technical
>> Journal 57 no. 6, part 2 (July--August 1978). In turn,
>> that was a revised version of an article that appeared
>> in Communications of the ACM, 17, No. 7 (July 1974),
>> pp. 365--375. That article was a revised version of a
>> paper presented at the Fourth ACM Symposium on
>> Operating Systems Principles, IBM Thomas J. Watson
>> Research Center, Yorktown Heights, New York, October
>> 15--17, 1973. Most of the differences between versions
>> occur between the C. ACM version and the BSTJ printing;
>> we incorporated updated numbers and material on
>> portability.",
>
> so not the original SOSP paper or the original 1974 CACM paper :-)
>
> However, it's yet another version of the paper.
>
> I've spent some time tracking down the various "versions" of this paper.
> So far, I know of:
>
> + the mid-1971 draft, available at https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/McIlroy_v0/UnixEditionZero-Threshold_OCR.pdf
> + a later version which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I
> haven't been able to get my hands on
> + the SOSP presentation, still unclear if there was an actual paper
> + the 1974 CACM paper
> + the version in 6th Edition Unix, available at https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V6/usr/doc/unix
> + the 1978 BSTL version cited above
>
> Are there any others that people know about that I've missed?
>
> I would like to do some work on how the content changed over time.
> The result would be, for me, an interesting paper to read but somehow
> I think the readership base would be limited :-)
>
> Cheers, Warren
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
2018-09-28 23:55 ` Warren Toomey
2018-09-29 0:15 ` Charles H. Sauer
@ 2018-09-29 0:48 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-09-29 1:44 ` Warner Losh
2018-09-29 10:11 ` Warren Toomey
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From: Kurt H Maier @ 2018-09-29 0:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:55:12AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> + a later version which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I
> haven't been able to get my hands on
Archive.org has it at https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives but I
collected this specific issue for my own purposes here:
http://sciops.net/information/bstj/
(archive.org's new web interface is ... touch-friendly.)
The paper in question is bstj57-6-1905_text.pdf.
khm
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
2018-09-29 0:48 ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2018-09-29 1:44 ` Warner Losh
2018-09-29 10:11 ` Warren Toomey
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Warner Losh @ 2018-09-29 1:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kurt H Maier; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
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On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 6:50 PM Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:55:12AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> > + a later version which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I
> > haven't been able to get my hands on
>
> Archive.org has it at https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives but I
> collected this specific issue for my own purposes here:
> http://sciops.net/information/bstj/
>
> (archive.org's new web interface is ... touch-friendly.)
>
> The paper in question is bstj57-6-1905_text.pdf.
>
I have a paper copy of the BSTJ in question...
Warner
>
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
2018-09-29 0:48 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-09-29 1:44 ` Warner Losh
@ 2018-09-29 10:11 ` Warren Toomey
2018-09-29 10:32 ` William Corcoran
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From: Warren Toomey @ 2018-09-29 10:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: tuhs
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:48:28PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> Archive.org has it at https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives but I
> collected this specific issue for my own purposes here:
> http://sciops.net/information/bstj/
> The paper in question is bstj57-6-1905_text.pdf.
I've also got a mirror of the relevant BSTJ at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Papers/BSTJ/
Cheers, Warren
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
2018-09-29 10:11 ` Warren Toomey
@ 2018-09-29 10:32 ` William Corcoran
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: William Corcoran @ 2018-09-29 10:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs
Hi Warren,
Thank you for all of your help here!
Truly,
Bill Corcoran
> On Sep 29, 2018, at 6:12 AM, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:48:28PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote:
>> Archive.org has it at https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives but I
>> collected this specific issue for my own purposes here:
>> http://sciops.net/information/bstj/
>> The paper in question is bstj57-6-1905_text.pdf.
>
> I've also got a mirror of the relevant BSTJ at:
> https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Papers/BSTJ/
>
> Cheers, Warren
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* Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?
@ 2018-09-29 12:03 Doug McIlroy
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From: Doug McIlroy @ 2018-09-29 12:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: tuhs
Warren wrote:
> I would like to do some work on how the content changed over time.
> The result would be, for me, an interesting paper to read but somehow
> I think the readership base would be limited :-)
"Critical editions", as they are known in literary circles,
garner wide respect if not wide readership. Go for it.
Incidentally the earliest diff programs I know about date
from about 1969. One was by Steve Johnson, specifically
for comparing comdecks--compressed assembler source. The
other arose in service of critical editions.
Doug
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