Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Doug McIlroy]

Warren wrote:
> I would like to do some work on how the content changed over time.
> The result would be, for me, an interesting paper to read but somehow
> I think the readership base would be limited :-)

"Critical editions", as they are known in literary circles,
garner wide respect if not wide readership. Go for it.

Incidentally the earliest diff programs I know about date
from about 1969. One was by Steve Johnson, specifically
for comparing comdecks--compressed assembler source. The
other arose in service of critical editions.

Doug

[TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Warren Toomey]

All, I just got an e-mail from a TUHS member who would like to lay their
hands on a copy of the original Unix SOSP paper:

  Anyway, I am trying to get my hands on the original 1972/73 paper on The
  UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM that was published at the SOSP ‘73 Proceedings
  of the fourth ACM symposium on operating system principles.

  I do have the 1974 and 1978 reprint papers.   But, I really want the
  1972/73 original.  I see it in the ACM digital library, but the full
  text PDF prints only the abstract.

Does anybody have a scan of the original SOSP paper?

I'd also like a copy of the 1974 reprint in CACM.

Thanks, Warren

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Nelson H. F. Beebe]

Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> asks on Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:04:44 +1000 for
a copy of the  original 1972/73 paper on The UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM
that was published at the SOSP bProceedings of the fourth ACM
symposium on operating system principles.

The URL in this entry from unix.bib works for me:

@InProceedings{Ritchie:1973:UTSa,
  author =       "Dennis M. Ritchie and Ken Thompson",
  editor =       "{ACM}",
  booktitle =    "Fourth ACM Symposium on Operating Systems Principles,
                 IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center, Yorktown Heights,
                 New York, October 15-17, 1973",
  title =        "The {UNIX} time-sharing system",
  publisher =    pub-ACM,
  address =      pub-ACM:adr,
  pages =        "??--??",
  year =         "1973",
  bibdate =      "Thu Feb 23 07:01:17 2017",
  bibsource =    "http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/unix.bib",
  URL =          "https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/cacm.html",
  acknowledgement = ack-nhfb,
  remark =       "This electronic edition of this paper is a reprint of
                 the version appearing in The Bell System Technical
                 Journal 57 no. 6, part 2 (July--August 1978). In turn,
                 that was a revised version of an article that appeared
                 in Communications of the ACM, 17, No. 7 (July 1974),
                 pp. 365--375. That article was a revised version of a
                 paper presented at the Fourth ACM Symposium on
                 Operating Systems Principles, IBM Thomas J. Watson
                 Research Center, Yorktown Heights, New York, October
                 15--17, 1973. Most of the differences between versions
                 occur between the C. ACM version and the BSTJ printing;
                 we incorporated updated numbers and material on
                 portability.",
}

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Nelson H. F. Beebe                    Tel: +1 801 581 5254                  -
- University of Utah                    FAX: +1 801 581 4148                  -
- Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB    Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu  -
- 155 S 1400 E RM 233                       beebe@acm.org  beebe@computer.org -
- Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA    URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ -
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Warren Toomey]

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:20:53PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
> Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> asks on Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:04:44 +1000 for
> a copy of the  original 1972/73 paper on The UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM
> that was published at the SOSP Proceedings of the fourth ACM
> symposium on operating system principles.
> 
> The URL in this entry from unix.bib works for me:

Ah, but:

>   remark =       "This electronic edition of this paper is a reprint of
>                  the version appearing in The Bell System Technical
>                  Journal 57 no. 6, part 2 (July--August 1978). In turn,
>                  that was a revised version of an article that appeared
>                  in Communications of the ACM, 17, No. 7 (July 1974),
>                  pp. 365--375. That article was a revised version of a
>                  paper presented at the Fourth ACM Symposium on
>                  Operating Systems Principles, IBM Thomas J. Watson
>                  Research Center, Yorktown Heights, New York, October
>                  15--17, 1973. Most of the differences between versions
>                  occur between the C. ACM version and the BSTJ printing;
>                  we incorporated updated numbers and material on
>                  portability.",

so not the original SOSP paper or the original 1974 CACM paper :-)

However, it's yet another version of the paper.

I've spent some time tracking down the various "versions" of this paper.
So far, I know of:

+ the mid-1971 draft, available at https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/McIlroy_v0/UnixEditionZero-Threshold_OCR.pdf
+ a later version which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I 
  haven't been able to get my hands on
+ the SOSP presentation, still unclear if there was an actual paper
+ the 1974 CACM paper
+ the version in 6th Edition Unix, available at https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V6/usr/doc/unix
+ the 1978 BSTL version cited above

Are there any others that people know about that I've missed?

I would like to do some work on how the content changed over time.
The result would be, for me, an interesting paper to read but somehow
I think the readership base would be limited :-)

Cheers, Warren

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Charles H. Sauer]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3119 bytes --]

As Kurt has already remarked, the page counts at https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=800009&picked=prox <https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=800009&picked=prox> seem all but conclusive that only the abstract was published as part of the '73 SOSP. I have old paper copies of OSR & SOSP stuff in the attic, but I don’t think they start until ’75. Next time I’m looking there, which is probably months or more away, I’ll verify. Charlie

> On Sep 28, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:20:53PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
>> Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> asks on Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:04:44 +1000 for
>> a copy of the  original 1972/73 paper on The UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM
>> that was published at the SOSP Proceedings of the fourth ACM
>> symposium on operating system principles.
>> 
>> The URL in this entry from unix.bib works for me:
> 
> Ah, but:
> 
>>  remark =       "This electronic edition of this paper is a reprint of
>>                 the version appearing in The Bell System Technical
>>                 Journal 57 no. 6, part 2 (July--August 1978). In turn,
>>                 that was a revised version of an article that appeared
>>                 in Communications of the ACM, 17, No. 7 (July 1974),
>>                 pp. 365--375. That article was a revised version of a
>>                 paper presented at the Fourth ACM Symposium on
>>                 Operating Systems Principles, IBM Thomas J. Watson
>>                 Research Center, Yorktown Heights, New York, October
>>                 15--17, 1973. Most of the differences between versions
>>                 occur between the C. ACM version and the BSTJ printing;
>>                 we incorporated updated numbers and material on
>>                 portability.",
> 
> so not the original SOSP paper or the original 1974 CACM paper :-)
> 
> However, it's yet another version of the paper.
> 
> I've spent some time tracking down the various "versions" of this paper.
> So far, I know of:
> 
> + the mid-1971 draft, available at https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/McIlroy_v0/UnixEditionZero-Threshold_OCR.pdf
> + a later version which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I 
>  haven't been able to get my hands on
> + the SOSP presentation, still unclear if there was an actual paper
> + the 1974 CACM paper
> + the version in 6th Edition Unix, available at https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V6/usr/doc/unix
> + the 1978 BSTL version cited above
> 
> Are there any others that people know about that I've missed?
> 
> I would like to do some work on how the content changed over time.
> The result would be, for me, an interesting paper to read but somehow
> I think the readership base would be limited :-)
> 
> Cheers, Warren

--
voice: +1.512.784.7526       e-mail: sauer@technologists.com <mailto:sauer@technologists.com>           
fax: +1.512.346.5240         web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ <http://technologists.com/sauer/>
Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter: CharlesHSauer


[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 6472 bytes --]

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Kurt H Maier]

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:55:12AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> + a later version which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I 
>   haven't been able to get my hands on

Archive.org has it at https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives but I
collected this specific issue for my own purposes here:
http://sciops.net/information/bstj/

(archive.org's new web interface is ... touch-friendly.)

The paper in question is bstj57-6-1905_text.pdf.

khm

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Warner Losh]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 593 bytes --]

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 6:50 PM Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:55:12AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> > + a later version which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I
> >   haven't been able to get my hands on
>
> Archive.org has it at https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives but I
> collected this specific issue for my own purposes here:
> http://sciops.net/information/bstj/
>
> (archive.org's new web interface is ... touch-friendly.)
>
> The paper in question is bstj57-6-1905_text.pdf.
>

I have a paper copy of the BSTJ in question...

Warner

>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1426 bytes --]

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Warren Toomey]

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:48:28PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> Archive.org has it at https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives but I
> collected this specific issue for my own purposes here:
> http://sciops.net/information/bstj/
> The paper in question is bstj57-6-1905_text.pdf.

I've also got a mirror of the relevant BSTJ at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Papers/BSTJ/

Cheers, Warren

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[William Corcoran]

Hi Warren,

Thank you for all of your help here!

Truly,

Bill Corcoran



> On Sep 29, 2018, at 6:12 AM, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:48:28PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote:
>> Archive.org has it at https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives but I
>> collected this specific issue for my own purposes here:
>> http://sciops.net/information/bstj/
>> The paper in question is bstj57-6-1905_text.pdf.
> 
> I've also got a mirror of the relevant BSTJ at:
> https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Papers/BSTJ/
> 
> Cheers, Warren

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Kurt H Maier]

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:04:44AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> 
> Does anybody have a scan of the original SOSP paper?

Page 27 was the abstract, and page 28 was ARGOS.  I'm not sure the paper
actually appeared in that publication; it seems it was presented at SOSP
but not published until CACM a year later.  Can someone clarify?

khm

Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper?

[Warren Toomey]

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:04:44AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> Does anybody have a scan of the original SOSP paper?
> I'd also like a copy of the 1974 reprint in CACM.

Hah, I found a copy of the CACM reprint here:
https://www2.cs.duke.edu/courses/cps210/spring16/resources/papers/p365-ritchie.pdf

Cheers, Warren