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From: Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: "tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org" <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] CMU Mach sources?
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:55:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190625005528.GA11929@wopr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190625004523.GB7655@mcvoy.com>

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 05:45:23PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> 
> Like I said, I can point anyone at code I wrote as a grad student that 
> while I'm not proud of the style, it has style and it is clean.  Just
> because you are a grad student that doesn't excuse messy code.  If you
> write messy code then you're a bad hire.
> 

This is akin to complaining about laborers not polishing railroad spikes
before hammering them into the sleepers.  It's hard enough to find
people willing to touch computers at all for grad-student "wages," much
less ones both capable & willing to be held to production-code standards
on budgets that barely put food on the table, one fiscal year at a time.

The systems engineer side of me really wants to agree with you, but the
state of academic computing has not been amenable to this standard for
some years -- ever, in terms of my career.  We're lucky to get working
code, full stop.  There is no funding for *nice* code.  Funding directed
toward nice code will be cut next quarter.  People advocating for
funding for nice code will find their annual performance review is
suddenly a multi-player game.

Some institutions are better than others.  The place I work now has
explicit policies regarding "sustainable" software development, and it's
an absolute delight ... which does not exist in many (most?) places.

khm

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-25  1:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-23  4:38 Chris Hanson
2019-06-23  5:15 ` Larry McVoy
2019-06-23  8:52   ` Andrew Warkentin
2019-06-23 13:39   ` Jon Forrest
2019-06-23 13:59     ` arnold
2019-06-23 14:03     ` Jason Stevens
2019-06-23  8:04 ` Jason Stevens
2019-06-23 14:54   ` Henry Bent
2019-06-23 21:52     ` Clem Cole
2019-06-25  0:06       ` Larry McVoy
2019-06-25  0:31         ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-25  0:45           ` Larry McVoy
2019-06-25  0:55             ` Kurt H Maier [this message]
2019-06-25  4:18               ` Larry McVoy
2019-06-26 23:19                 ` [TUHS] Craft vs Research (Re: " Bakul Shah
2019-06-27  0:16                   ` tuhs
2019-06-27 17:06                     ` Clem Cole
2019-06-25  1:00             ` [TUHS] " Richard Salz
2019-06-25  8:00               ` Kevin Bowling
2019-06-25 12:11                 ` Arthur Krewat
2019-06-25 12:17                   ` Arthur Krewat
2019-06-26  2:45               ` Kurt H Maier
2019-06-26  2:56                 ` Larry McVoy
2019-06-26 15:11                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-26 17:44                     ` Larry McVoy
2019-06-26 18:01                       ` arnold
2019-06-26 18:18                         ` Warner Losh
2019-06-26 19:22                       ` Chris Hanson
2019-06-26 19:32                         ` Ben Greenfield via TUHS
2019-06-26 20:21                           ` Larry McVoy
2019-06-27  0:22                             ` Chris Hanson
2019-06-27  1:02                               ` Larry McVoy
2019-06-27  1:26                                 ` Chris Hanson
2019-06-27  4:01                             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2019-06-27 10:34                               ` Ben Greenfield via TUHS
2019-06-27 10:59                                 ` arnold
2019-06-27 11:13                                   ` Ben Greenfield via TUHS
2019-06-27 11:39                                     ` arnold
2019-06-27 14:58                                     ` Warner Losh
2019-06-27 17:25                                       ` Larry McVoy
2019-06-26 19:30                       ` Dennis Boone
2019-06-26 19:25                     ` Adam Thornton
2019-06-23  8:27 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-06-25  3:07 ` Gregg Levine
2019-06-25  8:15   ` Kevin Bowling
2019-06-25 18:18   ` Chris Hanson
2019-06-25 20:23     ` Gregg Levine
2019-06-26  1:04       ` Jason Stevens
2019-06-26  0:53     ` Jason Stevens
2019-06-25  7:49 ` Jason Stevens
2019-06-25  7:59   ` Andreas Grapentin
2019-06-23 22:08 Noel Chiappa
2019-06-23 23:54 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-24 17:04   ` Jason Stevens
2019-07-01 13:20 Jason Stevens

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