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From: Jon Steinhart <jon@fourwinds.com>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 10:39:08 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202002171839.01HId8FT1358073@darkstar.fourwinds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d252035b323b7583c5760c952d1982c@firemail.de>

Thomas Paulsen writes:
> >*all* the stuff? Please don't do that literally. The garrulity
> >quotient of info pages dwarfs even that of the most excessive
> ;-)
> >modern man pages. But I appplaud the intent to assure man
> >pages are complete.
> info pages clearly are redundant. Even worser under linux most of them
> visualizing man pages, whereas hardly any man page is missing.
> They are emacs style help pages in the tradition of twenex/its, and I tell
> you that a few years ago one guy (not me) recommended in the emacs developer
> list to replace tekinfo by something modern like .html.
>
> Thus the question isn't man or tekinfo for linux documentation but html/markup
> or or tekinfo for emacs build-in self documentation.

I think that this discussion is like bell-bottoms, it comes around every few years.

Like Clem, I prefer concise man pages and longer, separate documents for those
programs where it makes sense.  I consider man pages to be quick references.

But my real issue with texinfo wouldn't get solved with html pages many of which
already exist.  The problem is that the ecosystem has been fragmented by people
doing their "documentation" in their preferred formats instead of in a common (man)
format.  This makes the experience one of "is there any documentation?" followed by
"what's the incantation to get it?"  When you're looking for the documentation for
pdf2svg, for example, and there is no man page, how long does it take to figure out
that there is no documentation at all?

Jon

  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-17 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-17 15:20 Doug McIlroy
2020-02-17 16:47 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-17 18:09 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-17 18:39   ` Jon Steinhart [this message]
2020-02-17 21:16     ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-17 22:50     ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-17 23:22       ` Warner Losh
2020-02-18  0:56         ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-18  3:33         ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-18  7:27           ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-18  0:03       ` Richard Salz
2020-02-18  0:17         ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-18  0:54           ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-18  1:05           ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-18  7:40           ` Greg A. Woods
2020-02-18  7:45             ` arnold
2020-02-18 20:24               ` Greg A. Woods
2020-02-18 11:22             ` Rich Morin
2020-02-18 12:28               ` arnold
2020-02-18 12:49                 ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2020-02-18 13:23                   ` arnold
2020-02-18 15:11             ` Clem Cole
2020-02-18 15:28               ` arnold
2020-02-18 15:36                 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-18 15:43                 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-18 15:52                   ` Clem Cole
2020-02-18 16:40                   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-02-18 18:39                     ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-18 21:26                       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-18 21:29                       ` Wesley Parish
2020-02-19  4:52                       ` [TUHS] Open source or free software? (was: man Macro Package and pdfmark) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-02-18 15:48                 ` [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark Clem Cole
2020-02-18 16:02                   ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-18 16:28                     ` Clem Cole
2020-02-18 17:49                   ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-18 21:46                 ` Rich Morin
2020-02-18 16:47               ` Henry Bent
2020-02-18 20:22               ` Greg A. Woods
2020-02-19  4:44                 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-19 18:01                   ` Earl Baugh
2020-02-19 18:12                     ` Emile Bye
2020-02-19 20:18                       ` Michael Huff
2020-02-19 20:34                         ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-19 21:09                         ` Henry Bent
2020-02-20  7:27                         ` arnold
2020-02-20  7:43                           ` Rich Morin
2020-02-20 13:15                             ` Dan Cross
2020-02-20 16:23                           ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-20 16:34                             ` Arthur Krewat
2020-02-20 17:06                             ` Al Kossow
2020-02-20 17:24                             ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-20 17:48                               ` Rich Morin
2020-02-20 20:10                                 ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-20 20:18                                   ` Rich Morin
2020-02-20 16:48                           ` Nemo
2020-02-20 17:00                             ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-20 19:16                           ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-20 23:45                         ` Doug McIntyre
2020-02-21  0:18                           ` Warner Losh
2020-02-21  1:14                             ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-02-21  8:19                             ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-21  8:17                           ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-21 10:17                             ` arnold
2020-02-21 10:37 ` Ed Bradford
2020-02-21 18:34   ` Heinz Lycklama
2020-02-21 18:59     ` Warner Losh
2020-02-21 21:10       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-21 21:46         ` David Barto
2020-02-22  6:48     ` Ed Bradford
2020-02-22 10:42     ` Al Kossow
2020-02-22 11:01       ` Ed Bradford
2020-02-22 16:38         ` Warner Losh
2020-02-22 18:11           ` arnold
2020-02-22 23:41             ` [TUHS] Mini-UNIX Warren Toomey
2020-02-22 11:08       ` [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark Ed Bradford
2020-02-22 16:40         ` Warner Losh
2020-02-22 16:46         ` Clem Cole
2020-02-22 17:51           ` Heinz Lycklama
2020-02-17 18:55 Noel Chiappa
2020-02-17 20:13 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-17 21:06   ` CHARLES KESTER
2020-02-18  0:36 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-18 13:13 Don Hopkins

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