From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: arnold@skeeve.com
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:36:38 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200218153638.GB19116@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202002181528.01IFSogM030831@freefriends.org>
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 08:28:50AM -0700, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
> > ditroff was always >>open source<< and any licensee could get it and see
> > it. The problem you are suggesting is that it was not >>free<< i.e. FOSS.
>
> I don't like your use of "open source"; it is way out of skew with
> how it's used today.
>
> > AT&T licensed it with a small set of fees. IIRC $1K for the first CPU, an
> > $50 for each and redistribution license was $10K and $5/system.
>
> That was very painful for universities and/or small businesses. Sure
> Sun and Masscomp could afford that. Your average computing center /
> computer science department / startup would have to think twice or thrice.
>
> Per CPU licensing was particularly painful if you had a bunch
> of workstations.
Yeah, Clem sort of has a blind spot on licensing. It's weird because I
agree with him on almost everything, it's sort of spooky how much we
agree.
My guess is that Clem was always at a University or a job where the fees
were mouse nuts and so it appeared to him that things just worked. If
you were a grad student like me, who wanted roff on a PC, it was very
different. And I suspect Clem has always been seen as one of the
chosen few who get logins on the machines with source. I was a nobody
and had to fight hard to get a login, I got it, but not until I was a
junior.
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Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-02-17 15:20 Doug McIlroy
2020-02-17 16:47 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-17 18:09 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-17 18:39 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-17 21:16 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-17 22:50 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-17 23:22 ` Warner Losh
2020-02-18 0:56 ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-18 3:33 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-18 7:27 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-18 0:03 ` Richard Salz
2020-02-18 0:17 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-18 0:54 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-18 1:05 ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-18 7:40 ` Greg A. Woods
2020-02-18 7:45 ` arnold
2020-02-18 20:24 ` Greg A. Woods
2020-02-18 11:22 ` Rich Morin
2020-02-18 12:28 ` arnold
2020-02-18 12:49 ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2020-02-18 13:23 ` arnold
2020-02-18 15:11 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-18 15:28 ` arnold
2020-02-18 15:36 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2020-02-18 15:43 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-18 15:52 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-18 16:40 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-02-18 18:39 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-18 21:26 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-18 21:29 ` Wesley Parish
2020-02-19 4:52 ` [TUHS] Open source or free software? (was: man Macro Package and pdfmark) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-02-18 15:48 ` [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark Clem Cole
2020-02-18 16:02 ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-18 16:28 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-18 17:49 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-18 21:46 ` Rich Morin
2020-02-18 16:47 ` Henry Bent
2020-02-18 20:22 ` Greg A. Woods
2020-02-19 4:44 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-19 18:01 ` Earl Baugh
2020-02-19 18:12 ` Emile Bye
2020-02-19 20:18 ` Michael Huff
2020-02-19 20:34 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-19 21:09 ` Henry Bent
2020-02-20 7:27 ` arnold
2020-02-20 7:43 ` Rich Morin
2020-02-20 13:15 ` Dan Cross
2020-02-20 16:23 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-20 16:34 ` Arthur Krewat
2020-02-20 17:06 ` Al Kossow
2020-02-20 17:24 ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-20 17:48 ` Rich Morin
2020-02-20 20:10 ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-20 20:18 ` Rich Morin
2020-02-20 16:48 ` Nemo
2020-02-20 17:00 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-20 19:16 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-20 23:45 ` Doug McIntyre
2020-02-21 0:18 ` Warner Losh
2020-02-21 1:14 ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-02-21 8:19 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-21 8:17 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-21 10:17 ` arnold
2020-02-21 10:37 ` Ed Bradford
2020-02-21 18:34 ` Heinz Lycklama
2020-02-21 18:59 ` Warner Losh
2020-02-21 21:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-21 21:46 ` David Barto
2020-02-22 6:48 ` Ed Bradford
2020-02-22 10:42 ` Al Kossow
2020-02-22 11:01 ` Ed Bradford
2020-02-22 16:38 ` Warner Losh
2020-02-22 18:11 ` arnold
2020-02-22 23:41 ` [TUHS] Mini-UNIX Warren Toomey
2020-02-22 11:08 ` [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark Ed Bradford
2020-02-22 16:40 ` Warner Losh
2020-02-22 16:46 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-22 17:51 ` Heinz Lycklama
2020-02-17 18:55 Noel Chiappa
2020-02-17 20:13 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-17 21:06 ` CHARLES KESTER
2020-02-18 0:36 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-18 13:13 Don Hopkins
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