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From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
To: Rich Morin <rdm@cfcl.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 08:15:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W4q9NTF9wWLDUk80XR8PBqmFVMc6Qtvzc5jQiTFQJXjXQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:44 AM Rich Morin <rdm@cfcl.com> wrote:

> I looked at Solaris very briefly and decided that it wasn't my idea
> of a proper (read, BSD) Unix system.  So, I kept my Sun running SunOS
> until I finally replaced it with a FreeBSD box.
>

I got the Unix-on-PCs religion sometime in the mid-'90s after Sun's shift
to Solaris and SVR4 and FreeBSD was my ecclesiastic weapon of choice after
a brief flirtation with Linux. I will admit, with a small amount of shame,
that I still carry around a bit of that chauvinism, though now driven
primarily by nostalgia instead of belief in technical superiority.

When I was in high school, the folks I looked up to told me, "BSD is the
stuff; SysV is garbage" and not knowing anything, I adopted that as a sort
of "four legs good, two legs bad" kinda mantra. I liked Sun machines
because they were what the cool people were using, but the move to Solaris
felt like a betrayal and I started looking for alternatives. The Alpha was
promising, but didn't make a lot of local headway. SGIs were neat but felt
like high-end toys for graphics weenies and Irix was too weird for my
taste. PCs were getting fast, though, and within a couple of years we went
from my 486DX/33 to 200 MHz Pentiums and FreeBSD was real, so that seemed
like the way forward. It amazed me how everyone around me kind of rolled
over, threw their hands up and said, "Oh well, I guess we all have to run
Solaris now...."

Wait, what? Why? I remember being dismayed that no one else saw the
potential for running essentially gratis software on cheap, fast hardware,
and that the same people who gladly put down multiple hundreds of thousands
of dollars for a VAX a decade prior, but then threw away the
vendor-supplied OS and installed 4.3BSD now were so concerned about things
like, "vendor support" that they couldn't see to doing essentially the same
thing, but at much lower overall cost.

What a time....

        - Dan C.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-20 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-17 15:20 Doug McIlroy
2020-02-17 16:47 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-17 18:09 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-17 18:39   ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-17 21:16     ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-17 22:50     ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-17 23:22       ` Warner Losh
2020-02-18  0:56         ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-18  3:33         ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-18  7:27           ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-18  0:03       ` Richard Salz
2020-02-18  0:17         ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-18  0:54           ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-18  1:05           ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-18  7:40           ` Greg A. Woods
2020-02-18  7:45             ` arnold
2020-02-18 20:24               ` Greg A. Woods
2020-02-18 11:22             ` Rich Morin
2020-02-18 12:28               ` arnold
2020-02-18 12:49                 ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2020-02-18 13:23                   ` arnold
2020-02-18 15:11             ` Clem Cole
2020-02-18 15:28               ` arnold
2020-02-18 15:36                 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-18 15:43                 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-18 15:52                   ` Clem Cole
2020-02-18 16:40                   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-02-18 18:39                     ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-18 21:26                       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-18 21:29                       ` Wesley Parish
2020-02-19  4:52                       ` [TUHS] Open source or free software? (was: man Macro Package and pdfmark) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-02-18 15:48                 ` [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark Clem Cole
2020-02-18 16:02                   ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-18 16:28                     ` Clem Cole
2020-02-18 17:49                   ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-18 21:46                 ` Rich Morin
2020-02-18 16:47               ` Henry Bent
2020-02-18 20:22               ` Greg A. Woods
2020-02-19  4:44                 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-19 18:01                   ` Earl Baugh
2020-02-19 18:12                     ` Emile Bye
2020-02-19 20:18                       ` Michael Huff
2020-02-19 20:34                         ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-19 21:09                         ` Henry Bent
2020-02-20  7:27                         ` arnold
2020-02-20  7:43                           ` Rich Morin
2020-02-20 13:15                             ` Dan Cross [this message]
2020-02-20 16:23                           ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-20 16:34                             ` Arthur Krewat
2020-02-20 17:06                             ` Al Kossow
2020-02-20 17:24                             ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-20 17:48                               ` Rich Morin
2020-02-20 20:10                                 ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-20 20:18                                   ` Rich Morin
2020-02-20 16:48                           ` Nemo
2020-02-20 17:00                             ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-20 19:16                           ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-20 23:45                         ` Doug McIntyre
2020-02-21  0:18                           ` Warner Losh
2020-02-21  1:14                             ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-02-21  8:19                             ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-21  8:17                           ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-02-21 10:17                             ` arnold
2020-02-21 10:37 ` Ed Bradford
2020-02-21 18:34   ` Heinz Lycklama
2020-02-21 18:59     ` Warner Losh
2020-02-21 21:10       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-21 21:46         ` David Barto
2020-02-22  6:48     ` Ed Bradford
2020-02-22 10:42     ` Al Kossow
2020-02-22 11:01       ` Ed Bradford
2020-02-22 16:38         ` Warner Losh
2020-02-22 18:11           ` arnold
2020-02-22 23:41             ` [TUHS] Mini-UNIX Warren Toomey
2020-02-22 11:08       ` [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark Ed Bradford
2020-02-22 16:40         ` Warner Losh
2020-02-22 16:46         ` Clem Cole
2020-02-22 17:51           ` Heinz Lycklama
2020-02-17 18:55 Noel Chiappa
2020-02-17 20:13 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-17 21:06   ` CHARLES KESTER
2020-02-18  0:36 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-18 13:13 Don Hopkins

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