* [TUHS] BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation @ 2023-05-11 17:25 segaloco via TUHS 2023-05-11 17:37 ` [TUHS] " Warner Losh ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: segaloco via TUHS @ 2023-05-11 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2017 bytes --] Howdy folks, I was perusing old copies of ;login: and came across a note about the BSTJ UNIX issue in the August 1978 newsletter: https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978 What I find particularly amusing is that all UNIX licensees at the time of that publication allegedly were provided a copy free of charge. The text goes on to indicate additional copies can be purchased for a measly $1.50. Fast forward to today and I typically don't see this copy pop up on auction for less than $100. Still, amazing how something was being just tossed out to anyone who wanted one and now here 45 years later, it's a mad scramble to find the same. Then there's this listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg $3000 dollars...quite shocking, although perhaps they're banking on the uniqueness of that little sleeve, I've never seen one of those with a BSTJ issue before. Was that some sort of packaging the issues were delivered in? It has the Bell Logo in the little window on either side, so I want to believe it's original and not something someone threw together after the fact. In any case, I suspect part of the low pricing is due to Bell anti-trust stuff, as they really moved on nickle and diming on documentation once they were legally able to. In any case, I'm always shocked to see how much I paid for something in my archival efforts and then I find a price sheet only to find out someone bought a book back in the day for the cost of a burger and fries. While I'm pursuing documents for research purposes...I may be inadvertently building myself quite the value store without even meaning to... - Matt G. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3628 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 17:25 [TUHS] BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation segaloco via TUHS @ 2023-05-11 17:37 ` Warner Losh 2023-05-11 17:49 ` Henry Bent ` (2 more replies) 2023-05-11 18:45 ` Clem Cole 2023-05-13 21:14 ` Henry Mensch 2 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Warner Losh @ 2023-05-11 17:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: segaloco; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2389 bytes --] On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:26 AM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: > Howdy folks, I was perusing old copies of ;login: and came across a note > about the BSTJ UNIX issue in the August 1978 newsletter: > https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978 > > What I find particularly amusing is that all UNIX licensees at the time of > that publication allegedly were provided a copy free of charge. The text > goes on to indicate additional copies can be purchased for a measly $1.50. > > Fast forward to today and I typically don't see this copy pop up on > auction for less than $100. Still, amazing how something was being just > tossed out to anyone who wanted one and now here 45 years later, it's a mad > scramble to find the same. Then there's this listing: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg > > $3000 dollars...quite shocking, although perhaps they're banking on the > uniqueness of that little sleeve, I've never seen one of those with a BSTJ > issue before. Was that some sort of packaging the issues were delivered > in? It has the Bell Logo in the little window on either side, so I want to > believe it's original and not something someone threw together after the > fact. > > In any case, I suspect part of the low pricing is due to Bell anti-trust > stuff, as they really moved on nickle and diming on documentation once they > were legally able to. In any case, I'm always shocked to see how much I > paid for something in my archival efforts and then I find a price sheet > only to find out someone bought a book back in the day for the cost of a > burger and fries. While I'm pursuing documents for research purposes...I > may be inadvertently building myself quite the value store without even > meaning to... > I bought mine in the couple of years for like $20. I think $3k is delusional. They range from $25-$250 in the last year for 'offered' price, mostly in the < $100 range for the ones that sell... Warner [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4008 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 17:37 ` [TUHS] " Warner Losh @ 2023-05-11 17:49 ` Henry Bent 2023-05-11 18:01 ` segaloco via TUHS 2023-05-11 18:51 ` Douglas McIlroy 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Henry Bent @ 2023-05-11 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Warner Losh; +Cc: segaloco, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2721 bytes --] On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 13:38, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:26 AM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: > >> Howdy folks, I was perusing old copies of ;login: and came across a note >> about the BSTJ UNIX issue in the August 1978 newsletter: >> https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978 >> >> What I find particularly amusing is that all UNIX licensees at the time >> of that publication allegedly were provided a copy free of charge. The >> text goes on to indicate additional copies can be purchased for a measly >> $1.50. >> >> Fast forward to today and I typically don't see this copy pop up on >> auction for less than $100. Still, amazing how something was being just >> tossed out to anyone who wanted one and now here 45 years later, it's a mad >> scramble to find the same. Then there's this listing: >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg >> >> $3000 dollars...quite shocking, although perhaps they're banking on the >> uniqueness of that little sleeve, I've never seen one of those with a BSTJ >> issue before. Was that some sort of packaging the issues were delivered >> in? It has the Bell Logo in the little window on either side, so I want to >> believe it's original and not something someone threw together after the >> fact. >> >> In any case, I suspect part of the low pricing is due to Bell anti-trust >> stuff, as they really moved on nickle and diming on documentation once they >> were legally able to. In any case, I'm always shocked to see how much I >> paid for something in my archival efforts and then I find a price sheet >> only to find out someone bought a book back in the day for the cost of a >> burger and fries. While I'm pursuing documents for research purposes...I >> may be inadvertently building myself quite the value store without even >> meaning to... >> > > I bought mine in the couple of years for like $20. I think $3k is > delusional. They range from $25-$250 in the last year for 'offered' price, > mostly in the < $100 range for the ones that sell... > Indeed, something is only worth what someone will pay for it. That auction could sit on eBay for a long time and until it sells it's worth nothing; the site is packed to the brim with delusional pricing. -Henry [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4579 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 17:37 ` [TUHS] " Warner Losh 2023-05-11 17:49 ` Henry Bent @ 2023-05-11 18:01 ` segaloco via TUHS 2023-05-11 18:51 ` Douglas McIlroy 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: segaloco via TUHS @ 2023-05-11 18:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Warner Losh; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3611 bytes --] One thing I will say is the pricing I see on some of this stuff on eBay, Biblio, etc. implies to me the fact that much of this old documentation is available as PDFs in various corners of the internet has not really phased the pricing on the collectors market. I'm glad I haven't run into the same problems I used to encounter in video game prototype research. There've been pretty nasty flame wars in those communities over the years regarding preservation diminishing the value of unique video game artifacts sitting collecting dust in someone's closet. Sometimes you'd get in a bidding war with someone that literally derives from their desire to specifically see the item in question kept as obscured from public knowledge as possible, just so they can claim the superiority of owning it or bank on selling it later. Shockingly, a singular, unique physical item is still going to be sought even if the data or information it contains is known. But I digress, I must appreciate the cordiality of folks with regards to this research stuff. I can't say I've had anyone come complaining to me that something I documented tanked their cartridge-based retirement fund... - Matt G. ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, May 11th, 2023 at 10:37 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:26 AM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: > >> Howdy folks, I was perusing old copies of ;login: and came across a note about the BSTJ UNIX issue in the August 1978 newsletter: https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978 >> >> What I find particularly amusing is that all UNIX licensees at the time of that publication allegedly were provided a copy free of charge. The text goes on to indicate additional copies can be purchased for a measly $1.50. >> >> Fast forward to today and I typically don't see this copy pop up on auction for less than $100. Still, amazing how something was being just tossed out to anyone who wanted one and now here 45 years later, it's a mad scramble to find the same. Then there's this listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg >> >> $3000 dollars...quite shocking, although perhaps they're banking on the uniqueness of that little sleeve, I've never seen one of those with a BSTJ issue before. Was that some sort of packaging the issues were delivered in? It has the Bell Logo in the little window on either side, so I want to believe it's original and not something someone threw together after the fact. >> >> In any case, I suspect part of the low pricing is due to Bell anti-trust stuff, as they really moved on nickle and diming on documentation once they were legally able to. In any case, I'm always shocked to see how much I paid for something in my archival efforts and then I find a price sheet only to find out someone bought a book back in the day for the cost of a burger and fries. While I'm pursuing documents for research purposes...I may be inadvertently building myself quite the value store without even meaning to... > > I bought mine in the couple of years for like $20. I think $3k is delusional. They range from $25-$250 in the last year for 'offered' price, mostly in the < $100 range for the ones that sell... > > Warner [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 5902 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 17:37 ` [TUHS] " Warner Losh 2023-05-11 17:49 ` Henry Bent 2023-05-11 18:01 ` segaloco via TUHS @ 2023-05-11 18:51 ` Douglas McIlroy 2023-05-11 18:58 ` arnold 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Douglas McIlroy @ 2023-05-11 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Warner Losh; +Cc: segaloco, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society If the BSTJ ever was distributed in a slip box, it was only to people above my pay grade. The gray spine must have been specially printed, for the BSTJ was always blue, as seen in the slip-box window. Doug On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:38 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:26 AM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: >> >> Howdy folks, I was perusing old copies of ;login: and came across a note about the BSTJ UNIX issue in the August 1978 newsletter: https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978 >> >> What I find particularly amusing is that all UNIX licensees at the time of that publication allegedly were provided a copy free of charge. The text goes on to indicate additional copies can be purchased for a measly $1.50. >> >> Fast forward to today and I typically don't see this copy pop up on auction for less than $100. Still, amazing how something was being just tossed out to anyone who wanted one and now here 45 years later, it's a mad scramble to find the same. Then there's this listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg >> >> $3000 dollars...quite shocking, although perhaps they're banking on the uniqueness of that little sleeve, I've never seen one of those with a BSTJ issue before. Was that some sort of packaging the issues were delivered in? It has the Bell Logo in the little window on either side, so I want to believe it's original and not something someone threw together after the fact. >> >> In any case, I suspect part of the low pricing is due to Bell anti-trust stuff, as they really moved on nickle and diming on documentation once they were legally able to. In any case, I'm always shocked to see how much I paid for something in my archival efforts and then I find a price sheet only to find out someone bought a book back in the day for the cost of a burger and fries. While I'm pursuing documents for research purposes...I may be inadvertently building myself quite the value store without even meaning to... > > > I bought mine in the couple of years for like $20. I think $3k is delusional. They range from $25-$250 in the last year for 'offered' price, mostly in the < $100 range for the ones that sell... > > Warner ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 18:51 ` Douglas McIlroy @ 2023-05-11 18:58 ` arnold 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: arnold @ 2023-05-11 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: imp, douglas.mcilroy; +Cc: tuhs, segaloco IIRC I bought mine in 1980 or 1981 by mailing a check to whatever address was printed in it; my professor had one. Doug, I think the grey spine in the picture is simply age discoloration. Arnold Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote: > If the BSTJ ever was distributed in a slip box, it was only to people > above my pay grade. The gray spine must have been specially printed, > for the BSTJ was always blue, as seen in the slip-box window. > > Doug > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:38 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:26 AM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: > >> > >> Howdy folks, I was perusing old copies of ;login: and came across a note about the BSTJ UNIX issue in the August 1978 newsletter: https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978 > >> > >> What I find particularly amusing is that all UNIX licensees at the time of that publication allegedly were provided a copy free of charge. The text goes on to indicate additional copies can be purchased for a measly $1.50. > >> > >> Fast forward to today and I typically don't see this copy pop up on auction for less than $100. Still, amazing how something was being just tossed out to anyone who wanted one and now here 45 years later, it's a mad scramble to find the same. Then there's this listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg > >> > >> $3000 dollars...quite shocking, although perhaps they're banking on the uniqueness of that little sleeve, I've never seen one of those with a BSTJ issue before. Was that some sort of packaging the issues were delivered in? It has the Bell Logo in the little window on either side, so I want to believe it's original and not something someone threw together after the fact. > >> > >> In any case, I suspect part of the low pricing is due to Bell anti-trust stuff, as they really moved on nickle and diming on documentation once they were legally able to. In any case, I'm always shocked to see how much I paid for something in my archival efforts and then I find a price sheet only to find out someone bought a book back in the day for the cost of a burger and fries. While I'm pursuing documents for research purposes...I may be inadvertently building myself quite the value store without even meaning to... > > > > > > I bought mine in the couple of years for like $20. I think $3k is delusional. They range from $25-$250 in the last year for 'offered' price, mostly in the < $100 range for the ones that sell... > > > > Warner ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 17:25 [TUHS] BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation segaloco via TUHS 2023-05-11 17:37 ` [TUHS] " Warner Losh @ 2023-05-11 18:45 ` Clem Cole 2023-05-11 19:14 ` Dan Cross 2023-05-13 21:14 ` Henry Mensch 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Clem Cole @ 2023-05-11 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: segaloco; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4243 bytes --] Matt, this was not unusual in those days. Many of us have a few shelves full of the "Handbooks" that DEC used to give out at trade shows for free starting in the 1960s [my PDP-6 was damaged in a flood, but I still have my white PDP-10 "phone book". The microprocessor companies followed suit in the mid/late 1970s, too. My wife hates it, but I have a few shelves of these from DEC, IBM, TI, Moto, and Intel. Interestingly, they often were updated and/or split, and the newer edition might have been "prettier" from a marketing standpoint, but older editions sometimes (often) had better details. For instance, the 1976 PDP-11 version of the peripheral's handbook is the best doc for the interfaces for a classic PDP-11. The 1978s edition is missing a number of the classic peripherals and I almost have never used to look something up. Of course, the earlier edition does not have documentation for the later peripherals from the 80s and early 90s. But, if you are trying to run a SIMH 11/70 instance of Unix Research 7, it's almost a must-have (a number of us that haunt the simh and pidp mailing lists recommend people get a copy and read before asking some of their questions). The point is that we all had copies back in the day, and when we got stuff -- needed to figure something out -- read the source and look at the DEC handbook [and my is sitting next to me, and as I was hacking on my PiDPD-11 earlier today and I needed to look something up]. IIRC, Gorden & Steely Dan's infamous architecture course at CMU required you to buy one of two of them for a nominal fee at the bookstore. The back of my 11/70 Processor Handbook has an old CMU bookstore sticker on it, but I can not read the price almost 50 years later (I'm sure it was under $5 even in 1975 money). Fortunately, Al Kossow has scans of many of them (including the aforementioned edition of the Peripherals' Handbook) as scanned PDF files. Still, it is not quite as nice [much to my wife's belief that they are clutter]. ᐧ On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:26 PM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: > Howdy folks, I was perusing old copies of ;login: and came across a note > about the BSTJ UNIX issue in the August 1978 newsletter: > https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978 > > What I find particularly amusing is that all UNIX licensees at the time of > that publication allegedly were provided a copy free of charge. The text > goes on to indicate additional copies can be purchased for a measly $1.50. > > Fast forward to today and I typically don't see this copy pop up on > auction for less than $100. Still, amazing how something was being just > tossed out to anyone who wanted one and now here 45 years later, it's a mad > scramble to find the same. Then there's this listing: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg > > $3000 dollars...quite shocking, although perhaps they're banking on the > uniqueness of that little sleeve, I've never seen one of those with a BSTJ > issue before. Was that some sort of packaging the issues were delivered > in? It has the Bell Logo in the little window on either side, so I want to > believe it's original and not something someone threw together after the > fact. > > In any case, I suspect part of the low pricing is due to Bell anti-trust > stuff, as they really moved on nickle and diming on documentation once they > were legally able to. In any case, I'm always shocked to see how much I > paid for something in my archival efforts and then I find a price sheet > only to find out someone bought a book back in the day for the cost of a > burger and fries. While I'm pursuing documents for research purposes...I > may be inadvertently building myself quite the value store without even > meaning to... > > - Matt G. > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 6848 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 18:45 ` Clem Cole @ 2023-05-11 19:14 ` Dan Cross 2023-05-11 19:38 ` Clem Cole 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Dan Cross @ 2023-05-11 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clem Cole; +Cc: segaloco, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 2:46 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote: > [snip] > IIRC, Gorden & Steely Dan's infamous architecture course at CMU .... "Steely Dan"? Tell me that's a double entendre.... - Dan C. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 19:14 ` Dan Cross @ 2023-05-11 19:38 ` Clem Cole 2023-05-12 9:38 ` steve jenkin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Clem Cole @ 2023-05-11 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Cross; +Cc: segaloco, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1572 bytes --] Dan Siewiorek and Gordon Bell authors with Allen Newell of "Computer Structures: Principles and Examples" (a.k.a. SBN) - until Hennesy and Patterson wrote their book, was popularly used by the schools that taught computer architecture. [You can download a PDF from Gordon web site if you search for it] The book has copies of some of the most famous papers on computer architecture, among other things. Gordon was still on CMU's faculty part-time when he was at DEC when I was a student. I'm one of the many legacies of the over 50 years of teaching by Dan Siewiorek -- remember in the 1970s there was an infamous band (named after an interesting object BTW). His students sometimes referred to him as Steely Dan as a term of endearment. I think he has been emeritus for a number of years, but he still comes (walks) to work most days and still is part of the grad systems seminar. In fact, the last time I saw him, he had asked me to come to be a guest lecturer. Funny, I rarely get nervous before a talk, and I have had some interesting and infamous people in my audience asking questions. But doing a talk for someone who had been my undergrad advisor and I so revered did make me so. I wanted to do right for him. Clem ᐧ On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:15 PM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 2:46 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote: > > [snip] > > IIRC, Gorden & Steely Dan's infamous architecture course at CMU .... > > "Steely Dan"? Tell me that's a double entendre.... > > - Dan C. > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2661 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 19:38 ` Clem Cole @ 2023-05-12 9:38 ` steve jenkin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: steve jenkin @ 2023-05-12 9:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: TUHS Clem, Thanks for the recommendation. Gordon Bell has put copies of his publications, including books, on his website. [ Books at end of page ] The 1971 and 1982 ‘Computer Structures’ books are there. <http://gordonbell.azurewebsites.net/Pubs.htm> However, they aren’t in PDF or .doc format but a series of single-page HTML, at least they’re linked + ‘Contents’. The images are scans from the book - not always straight or highly legible. The effort that went into creating these online works and providing them for free (in perpetuity?) is to be appreciated & applauded. I found a PDF of a scanned & searchable version elsewhere. Quite different from the Patterson/Hennessy book. The field & its understanding of itself visibly progressed. regards steve j > On 12 May 2023, at 05:38, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote: > > Dan Siewiorek and Gordon Bell authors with Allen Newell of "Computer Structures: Principles and Examples" (a.k.a. SBN) - until Hennesy and Patterson wrote their book, was popularly used by the schools that taught computer architecture. [You can download a PDF from Gordon web site if you search for it] The book has copies of some of the most famous papers on computer architecture, among other things. Gordon was still on CMU's faculty part-time when he was at DEC when I was a student. > > I'm one of the many legacies of the over 50 years of teaching by Dan Siewiorek -- remember in the 1970s there was an infamous band (named after an interesting object BTW). His students sometimes referred to him as Steely Dan as a term of endearment. I think he has been emeritus for a number of years, but he still comes (walks) to work most days and still is part of the grad systems seminar. In fact, the last time I saw him, he had asked me to come to be a guest lecturer. Funny, I rarely get nervous before a talk, and I have had some interesting and infamous people in my audience asking questions. But doing a talk for someone who had been my undergrad advisor and I so revered did make me so. I wanted to do right for him. > > Clem -- Steve Jenkin, IT Systems and Design 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) PO Box 38, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA mailto:sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au http://members.tip.net.au/~sjenkin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-11 17:25 [TUHS] BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation segaloco via TUHS 2023-05-11 17:37 ` [TUHS] " Warner Losh 2023-05-11 18:45 ` Clem Cole @ 2023-05-13 21:14 ` Henry Mensch 2023-05-13 21:52 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him) 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Henry Mensch @ 2023-05-13 21:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: segaloco, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2285 bytes --] note that this seller has a tiny reputation on ebay. anyone who would give this seller that much money for anything is just not. thinking carefully. - Henry On May 11, 2023 13:26:27 segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: > Howdy folks, I was perusing old copies of ;login: and came across a note about the BSTJ UNIX issue in the August 1978 newsletter: https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978 > > What I find particularly amusing is that all UNIX licensees at the time of that publication allegedly were provided a copy free of charge. The text goes on to indicate additional copies can be purchased for a measly $1.50. > > Fast forward to today and I typically don't see this copy pop up on auction for less than $100. Still, amazing how something was being just tossed out to anyone who wanted one and now here 45 years later, it's a mad scramble to find the same. Then there's this listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg > > $3000 dollars...quite shocking, although perhaps they're banking on the uniqueness of that little sleeve, I've never seen one of those with a BSTJ issue before. Was that some sort of packaging the issues were delivered in? It has the Bell Logo in the little window on either side, so I want to believe it's original and not something someone threw together after the fact. > > In any case, I suspect part of the low pricing is due to Bell anti-trust stuff, as they really moved on nickle and diming on documentation once they were legally able to. In any case, I'm always shocked to see how much I paid for something in my archival efforts and then I find a price sheet only to find out someone bought a book back in the day for the cost of a burger and fries. While I'm pursuing documents for research purposes...I may be inadvertently building myself quite the value store without even meaning to... > > - Matt G. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4560 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: BSTJ 1978 UNIX Issue Price Appreciation 2023-05-13 21:14 ` Henry Mensch @ 2023-05-13 21:52 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Charles H Sauer (he/him) @ 2023-05-13 21:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs note, also, https://www.amazon.com/Unix-Time-Sharing-System-Technical-Journal/dp/B004BHP0TE. Charlie On 5/13/2023 4:14 PM, Henry Mensch wrote: > note that this seller has a tiny reputation on ebay. anyone who would > give this seller that much money for anything is just not. thinking > carefully. > > - Henry > > On May 11, 2023 13:26:27 segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: > >> Howdy folks, I was perusing old copies of ;login: and came across a >> note about the BSTJ UNIX issue in the August 1978 newsletter: >> https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978 >> <https://archive.org/details/login_august-1978> >> >> What I find particularly amusing is that all UNIX licensees at the >> time of that publication allegedly were provided a copy free of >> charge. The text goes on to indicate additional copies can be >> purchased for a measly $1.50. >> >> Fast forward to today and I typically don't see this copy pop up on >> auction for less than $100. Still, amazing how something was being >> just tossed out to anyone who wanted one and now here 45 years later, >> it's a mad scramble to find the same. Then there's this listing: >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg <https://www.ebay.com/itm/134212722284?hash=item1f3fb39e6c:g:9VEAAOSw8HtjCp2H&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IPDo14%2B7%2BCT30D5MvU1f9BJm77l1XWLxt2ojhau503DpckIGbEgDyGAtPFQgj8m5y9CebRCho1Y9INzCsMX72UaQy96ent8gqtgFWH5MY3kpSNzkYBKgrjnVDMiom2HOuqHiy5H%2FzRjvpdv0BE7tKJ7tJv4BRuCeSEPoqd2U%2FdfuKVuvOTdG%2B28JSWuPcN764AWcg3EbpeU7LUiGEELwjxL0FTsCQ%2F2wK5AuuwK8E9E7WFVuZzsm07jesQcjq75A7t5fM0ggrRX2Mn9cO9%2BHRAP7KcOYhGJ1BqIYz1P1FzL%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_bFmL2BYg> >> >> $3000 dollars...quite shocking, although perhaps they're banking on >> the uniqueness of that little sleeve, I've never seen one of those >> with a BSTJ issue before. Was that some sort of packaging the issues >> were delivered in? It has the Bell Logo in the little window on >> either side, so I want to believe it's original and not something >> someone threw together after the fact. >> >> In any case, I suspect part of the low pricing is due to Bell >> anti-trust stuff, as they really moved on nickle and diming on >> documentation once they were legally able to. In any case, I'm always >> shocked to see how much I paid for something in my archival efforts >> and then I find a price sheet only to find out someone bought a book >> back in the day for the cost of a burger and fries. While I'm >> pursuing documents for research purposes...I may be inadvertently >> building myself quite the value store without even meaning to... >> >> - Matt G. > -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ Facebook/Google/LinkedIn/Twitter: CharlesHSauer ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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