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From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: segaloco <segaloco@protonmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Current Ownership of 3B/WECo Computer IPs
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 21:43:27 -0400	[thread overview]
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On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 9:11 PM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:

> Is there a clear, current owner of these WECo hardware IPs, or have those
> waters grown even murkier than those of UNIX in the times after AT&T proper?

I have never seen an unofficial, much less an official, reckoning, but if
you discover/unearth something, it will be interesting to read.

That said, you left out one piece of history.  Please remember that AT&T
bought NCR in the mid-1980s (and eventually spun it off a few years later).
The UNIX HW development was moved into the new division of the old NCR,
including the 3B series work, the WE32000, and some other semiconductor IPs.

FWIW: That occurred when I consulted for NCR's Chief Architect (Lee Hovel)
in the mid-late 80s (I did some of the analysis for Lee on what IP was
there).  But that all settled out after my contract expired, so I don't
know how it finally settled - other than I'm reasonably sure that most of
the 3B and chip development reported up through an ex-NCR exec after
purchase. Those teams and their associated IP were folded into things like
the old NCR semi-conductor, NCR Computer, *etc*..   IIRC Also, a few NCR
communications products were moved out of the old NCR team and into the old
WE folks.

So ....  I would not be surprised if when NCR was later spun back out, some
of the old AT&T IP (such as the computer HW and chip IP) went with them,
just as when Novell was sold the UNIX SW IP.  Of course, later, Lucent, ney
Alcatel, ney Nokia - got the communications IP.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-09-11  1:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-11  1:11 [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-09-11  1:35 ` [TUHS] " alan
2023-09-11  2:02   ` alan
2023-09-11  3:17   ` Kevin Bowling
2023-09-11  1:43 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2023-09-11  2:57   ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-09-11  3:37     ` Clem Cole
2023-09-11 15:34       ` Paul Winalski
2023-09-11 17:46         ` [TUHS] nassau smelting was " Mark Seiden
2023-09-11 19:58           ` [TUHS] " Douglas McIlroy
     [not found]             ` <F227DB6D-F1D5-45CD-9F7A-906732892105@seiden.com>
2023-09-11 21:06               ` Douglas McIlroy

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