[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[arnold]

Hello All.

For whoever's interested, the csv code has been merged into the master
branch of the Git repo.  Have fun!

Arnold

> From: arnold at skeeve.com (arnold at skeeve.com)
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:41:34 -0600
> Subject: [TUHS] The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?
>
> Hi.
>
> markus schnalke <meillo at marmaro.de> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> >
> > I just discovered that one of my favorite computer books about my
> > best liked programming language (besides C) releases in a second
> > edition. Does anyone know what the differences of 1st and 2nd
> > edition are?
> >
> > As the original book is almost perfect, the only rework and
> > extension direction I can think of is towards different
> > implementations like gawk, mawk, portability and such things.
> >
> > Does anyone know more about it? Maybe some inside information? ;-)
> >
> > meillo
>
> Inside information? As it happens, yes, I do have some. :-)
> (I was a reviewer.)
>
> [In the below, "awk" means Brian Kernighan's awk.]
>
> In the 36 (!) years since the first edition was published, awk
> has undergone, shall we say, a large number of small changes. These
> are listed in the FIXES file currently in the master branch of
> https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk.
>
> In addition, Brian Kernighan decided to add support for UTF-8 input,
> which is what awk now expects, and support for CSV input files when
> invoked with the --csv option. Furthermore, there is a new \u escape
> sequence which must be followed by 1-8 hexadecimal digits for specifying
> Unicode code points.
>
> The book itself has been carefully revised. The large second chapter
> which was a reference to the full language was moved to an appendix.
> Many of the example programs from the first edition were retained
> and updated, but there is also quite of lot of pleasing new material.
>
> There is mention of, and occasional comparison with, gawk, mawk and
> Ben Hoyt's GoAwk, but by and large the focus is on the authors' version.
>
> The new code is currently in the "csv" branch of the above Github
> repo.  The maintainer is in the process of tidying up the repo (dealing
> with issues and pull requests) and will merge the csv branch into
> master sometime in the very near future.
>
> I'm told that the printed books with get to the publisher's warehouse
> towards the end of September. The book is available now on O'Reilly's
> Safari learning site (safari.oreilly.com) for anyone who has a
> subscription.
>
> Matching code (--csv and \u) are in gawk's master branch now. I will
> make a release this fall, after the new code has moved into master
> in BWK's awk.
>
> I heartily recommend the book; it is totally up to Brian Kernighan's
> usual very high standard.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Arnold
>

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Mary Ann Horton]

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Which Git repo?  The CSV code is a game changer for awk, otherwise I 
need a hokey python script.

Is it being merged into the Gnu awk that will wind up in Red Hat awk? 
Please please?

Thanks,

/Mary Ann Horton/ (she/her/ma'am)
maryannhorton.com <https://maryannhorton.com>

“This is a great book about an amazing journey of a woman
who went through hell to become the person she is today.”
* - Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag*

"Brave and Important - Don’t miss this wonderful book!"
* - Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.*

       Available on Amazon and bn.com. Audiobook on Google Play.

	<https://www.amazon.com/Trailblazer-Lighting-Transgender-Equality-Corporate-ebook/dp/B0B8F2BR9B>



On 9/13/23 14:28, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> Hello All.
>
> For whoever's interested, the csv code has been merged into the master
> branch of the Git repo.  Have fun!
>
> Arnold
>
>> From: arnold at skeeve.com (arnold at skeeve.com)
>> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:41:34 -0600
>> Subject: [TUHS] The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> markus schnalke <meillo at marmaro.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>>
>>> I just discovered that one of my favorite computer books about my
>>> best liked programming language (besides C) releases in a second
>>> edition. Does anyone know what the differences of 1st and 2nd
>>> edition are?
>>>
>>> As the original book is almost perfect, the only rework and
>>> extension direction I can think of is towards different
>>> implementations like gawk, mawk, portability and such things.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know more about it? Maybe some inside information? ;-)
>>>
>>> meillo
>> Inside information? As it happens, yes, I do have some. :-)
>> (I was a reviewer.)
>>
>> [In the below, "awk" means Brian Kernighan's awk.]
>>
>> In the 36 (!) years since the first edition was published, awk
>> has undergone, shall we say, a large number of small changes. These
>> are listed in the FIXES file currently in the master branch of
>> https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk.
>>
>> In addition, Brian Kernighan decided to add support for UTF-8 input,
>> which is what awk now expects, and support for CSV input files when
>> invoked with the --csv option. Furthermore, there is a new \u escape
>> sequence which must be followed by 1-8 hexadecimal digits for specifying
>> Unicode code points.
>>
>> The book itself has been carefully revised. The large second chapter
>> which was a reference to the full language was moved to an appendix.
>> Many of the example programs from the first edition were retained
>> and updated, but there is also quite of lot of pleasing new material.
>>
>> There is mention of, and occasional comparison with, gawk, mawk and
>> Ben Hoyt's GoAwk, but by and large the focus is on the authors' version.
>>
>> The new code is currently in the "csv" branch of the above Github
>> repo.  The maintainer is in the process of tidying up the repo (dealing
>> with issues and pull requests) and will merge the csv branch into
>> master sometime in the very near future.
>>
>> I'm told that the printed books with get to the publisher's warehouse
>> towards the end of September. The book is available now on O'Reilly's
>> Safari learning site (safari.oreilly.com) for anyone who has a
>> subscription.
>>
>> Matching code (--csv and \u) are in gawk's master branch now. I will
>> make a release this fall, after the new code has moved into master
>> in BWK's awk.
>>
>> I heartily recommend the book; it is totally up to Brian Kernighan's
>> usual very high standard.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Arnold
>>

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[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[arnold]

Hi Mary Anne.

Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net> wrote:

> Which Git repo?  The CSV code is a game changer for awk, otherwise I 
> need a hokey python script.

https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk. This was mentioned in the
note you quoted...

> Is it being merged into the Gnu awk ...

Also mentioned is that the code is already in gawk's master
branch and that I will make a release in the fall, I hope.

> ... that will wind up in Red Hat awk? 
> Please please?

I have no control over that. Sorry.  However, gawk is easy to
build and install from tarball, or if you're desperate, directly
from Git.  Be in touch privately if you want more info.

Thanks,

Arnold

> Thanks,
>
> /Mary Ann Horton/ (she/her/ma'am)
> maryannhorton.com <https://maryannhorton.com>
>
> “This is a great book about an amazing journey of a woman
> who went through hell to become the person she is today.”
> * - Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag*
>
> "Brave and Important - Don’t miss this wonderful book!"
> * - Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.*
>
>        Available on Amazon and bn.com. Audiobook on Google Play.
>
> 	<https://www.amazon.com/Trailblazer-Lighting-Transgender-Equality-Corporate-ebook/dp/B0B8F2BR9B>
>
>
>
> On 9/13/23 14:28, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> > Hello All.
> >
> > For whoever's interested, the csv code has been merged into the master
> > branch of the Git repo.  Have fun!
> >
> > Arnold
> >
> >> From: arnold at skeeve.com (arnold at skeeve.com)
> >> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:41:34 -0600
> >> Subject: [TUHS] The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> markus schnalke <meillo at marmaro.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hoi,
> >>>
> >>> I just discovered that one of my favorite computer books about my
> >>> best liked programming language (besides C) releases in a second
> >>> edition. Does anyone know what the differences of 1st and 2nd
> >>> edition are?
> >>>
> >>> As the original book is almost perfect, the only rework and
> >>> extension direction I can think of is towards different
> >>> implementations like gawk, mawk, portability and such things.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know more about it? Maybe some inside information? ;-)
> >>>
> >>> meillo
> >> Inside information? As it happens, yes, I do have some. :-)
> >> (I was a reviewer.)
> >>
> >> [In the below, "awk" means Brian Kernighan's awk.]
> >>
> >> In the 36 (!) years since the first edition was published, awk
> >> has undergone, shall we say, a large number of small changes. These
> >> are listed in the FIXES file currently in the master branch of
> >> https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk.
> >>
> >> In addition, Brian Kernighan decided to add support for UTF-8 input,
> >> which is what awk now expects, and support for CSV input files when
> >> invoked with the --csv option. Furthermore, there is a new \u escape
> >> sequence which must be followed by 1-8 hexadecimal digits for specifying
> >> Unicode code points.
> >>
> >> The book itself has been carefully revised. The large second chapter
> >> which was a reference to the full language was moved to an appendix.
> >> Many of the example programs from the first edition were retained
> >> and updated, but there is also quite of lot of pleasing new material.
> >>
> >> There is mention of, and occasional comparison with, gawk, mawk and
> >> Ben Hoyt's GoAwk, but by and large the focus is on the authors' version.
> >>
> >> The new code is currently in the "csv" branch of the above Github
> >> repo.  The maintainer is in the process of tidying up the repo (dealing
> >> with issues and pull requests) and will merge the csv branch into
> >> master sometime in the very near future.
> >>
> >> I'm told that the printed books with get to the publisher's warehouse
> >> towards the end of September. The book is available now on O'Reilly's
> >> Safari learning site (safari.oreilly.com) for anyone who has a
> >> subscription.
> >>
> >> Matching code (--csv and \u) are in gawk's master branch now. I will
> >> make a release this fall, after the new code has moved into master
> >> in BWK's awk.
> >>
> >> I heartily recommend the book; it is totally up to Brian Kernighan's
> >> usual very high standard.
> >>
> >> Enjoy,
> >>
> >> Arnold
> >>

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Mary Ann Horton]

On 9/14/23 20:48, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>
> Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net> wrote:
>
> Is it being merged into the Gnu awk ...
> Also mentioned is that the code is already in gawk's master
> branch and that I will make a release in the fall, I hope.
>
>> ... that will wind up in Red Hat awk?
>> Please please?
> I have no control over that. Sorry.  However, gawk is easy to
> build and install from tarball, or if you're desperate, directly
> from Git.  Be in touch privately if you want more info.

This is wonderful news. Red Hat uses GNU awk, so it seems likely it will 
(eventually) appear there.

I'm aware I could compile it myself, but this is for a professional use 
on the systems running a power grid, and even if I were to take the leap 
to install an open source version instead of the official RHEL awk, 
there are government regulations making that a bad idea.

Thanks,

     Mary Ann

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Ajay Shah]

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On Fri, 15 Sept 2023 at 07:10, Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net> wrote:

> Which Git repo?  The CSV code is a game changer for awk, otherwise I need
> a hokey python script.
>
Me too!

> Is it being merged into the Gnu awk that will wind up in Red Hat awk?
> Please please?
>
Debian is an important distribution in this regard, which may go into many
other distros like Ubuntu. I just looked in Debian stable --

$ apt-cache show original-awk
Package: original-awk
Version: 2022-09-12-1
Installed-Size: 186
Maintainer: Santiago Vila <sanvila@debian.org>
Architecture: amd64
Provides: awk
Pre-Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34)
Description-en: The original awk described in "The AWK Programming Language"
 This is the version of awk described in "The AWK Programming Language",
 by Al Aho, Brian Kernighan, and Peter Weinberger
 (Addison-Wesley, 1988, ISBN 0-201-07981-X).
Description-md5: 7a3c565b081bc0f03d9e79a6fd87fe27
Multi-Arch: foreign
Homepage: https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
Tag: devel::interpreter, implemented-in::c, interface::commandline,
 role::program, scope::utility, use::filtering, use::scanning,
 works-with::text
Section: interpreters
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/main/o/original-awk/original-awk_2022-09-12-1_amd64.deb
Size: 86548
MD5sum: f5a128040710433c276d866038703051
SHA256: f1835f1e5aca2f69e0b997b285b33b45aaa1abf4071edfd7481149076ca80a63

The key URLs are
  https://packages.debian.org/sid/original-awk
  https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
  sanvila@debian.org

-- 
Ajay Shah
ajayshah@mayin.org
http://www.mayin.org/ajayshah

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[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[arnold]

This is getting off-topic, folks... 

Thanks,

Arnold

Ajay Shah <ajayshah@mayin.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Sept 2023 at 07:10, Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net> wrote:
>
> > Which Git repo?  The CSV code is a game changer for awk, otherwise I need
> > a hokey python script.
> >
> Me too!
>
> > Is it being merged into the Gnu awk that will wind up in Red Hat awk?
> > Please please?
> >
> Debian is an important distribution in this regard, which may go into many
> other distros like Ubuntu. I just looked in Debian stable --
>
> $ apt-cache show original-awk
> Package: original-awk
> Version: 2022-09-12-1
> Installed-Size: 186
> Maintainer: Santiago Vila <sanvila@debian.org>
> Architecture: amd64
> Provides: awk
> Pre-Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34)
> Description-en: The original awk described in "The AWK Programming Language"
>  This is the version of awk described in "The AWK Programming Language",
>  by Al Aho, Brian Kernighan, and Peter Weinberger
>  (Addison-Wesley, 1988, ISBN 0-201-07981-X).
> Description-md5: 7a3c565b081bc0f03d9e79a6fd87fe27
> Multi-Arch: foreign
> Homepage: https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
> Tag: devel::interpreter, implemented-in::c, interface::commandline,
>  role::program, scope::utility, use::filtering, use::scanning,
>  works-with::text
> Section: interpreters
> Priority: optional
> Filename: pool/main/o/original-awk/original-awk_2022-09-12-1_amd64.deb
> Size: 86548
> MD5sum: f5a128040710433c276d866038703051
> SHA256: f1835f1e5aca2f69e0b997b285b33b45aaa1abf4071edfd7481149076ca80a63
>
> The key URLs are
>   https://packages.debian.org/sid/original-awk
>   https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
>   sanvila@debian.org
>
> -- 
> Ajay Shah
> ajayshah@mayin.org
> http://www.mayin.org/ajayshah

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[KenUnix]

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Yes. I normally keep quiet but what does transgender flags have to do with
AWK or Unix??

Let's at least stay with what the purpose of this group is.

-Ken


On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 11:54 PM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:

> This is getting off-topic, folks...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arnold
>
> Ajay Shah <ajayshah@mayin.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 15 Sept 2023 at 07:10, Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Which Git repo?  The CSV code is a game changer for awk, otherwise I
> need
> > > a hokey python script.
> > >
> > Me too!
> >
> > > Is it being merged into the Gnu awk that will wind up in Red Hat awk?
> > > Please please?
> > >
> > Debian is an important distribution in this regard, which may go into
> many
> > other distros like Ubuntu. I just looked in Debian stable --
> >
> > $ apt-cache show original-awk
> > Package: original-awk
> > Version: 2022-09-12-1
> > Installed-Size: 186
> > Maintainer: Santiago Vila <sanvila@debian.org>
> > Architecture: amd64
> > Provides: awk
> > Pre-Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34)
> > Description-en: The original awk described in "The AWK Programming
> Language"
> >  This is the version of awk described in "The AWK Programming Language",
> >  by Al Aho, Brian Kernighan, and Peter Weinberger
> >  (Addison-Wesley, 1988, ISBN 0-201-07981-X).
> > Description-md5: 7a3c565b081bc0f03d9e79a6fd87fe27
> > Multi-Arch: foreign
> > Homepage: https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
> > Tag: devel::interpreter, implemented-in::c, interface::commandline,
> >  role::program, scope::utility, use::filtering, use::scanning,
> >  works-with::text
> > Section: interpreters
> > Priority: optional
> > Filename: pool/main/o/original-awk/original-awk_2022-09-12-1_amd64.deb
> > Size: 86548
> > MD5sum: f5a128040710433c276d866038703051
> > SHA256: f1835f1e5aca2f69e0b997b285b33b45aaa1abf4071edfd7481149076ca80a63
> >
> > The key URLs are
> >   https://packages.debian.org/sid/original-awk
> >   https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
> >   sanvila@debian.org
> >
> > --
> > Ajay Shah
> > ajayshah@mayin.org
> > http://www.mayin.org/ajayshah
>


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[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Dan Cross]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 5:09 AM KenUnix <ken.unix.guy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes. I normally keep quiet but what does transgender flags have to do with AWK or Unix??

Several years ago, on this list, someone wrote a lengthy post about
women in software. It was not complimentary; the person was some kind
of "Men's Rights" activist. I stayed quiet at the time, and I regret
that; I'm not going to stay quiet now.

To directly answer your question: Mary Ann is an important figure in
the history of Unix. Mary Ann is transgender. Mary Ann has written a
book about her pioneering experience as a transgender woman in
corporate America at a time when that was rare (or, rather, not openly
discussed). Mary Ann's .sig contains information about her book. That
appears to be what you are responding to: her .sig; not the content of
her message, just the signature.

> Let's at least stay with what the purpose of this group is.

Indeed. Let's. It's not spoon-fooding tech support to people who can't
be bothered to figure it out for themselves, or do even a modicum of
work researching things on their own. Nor is it writing transphobic
non-sequiturs in response to .sigs. You didn't need to respond, at
all: you could have just moved on. But you chose not to.

Perhaps you should go elsewhere.

        - Dan C.


> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 11:54 PM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is getting off-topic, folks...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Arnold
>>
>> Ajay Shah <ajayshah@mayin.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, 15 Sept 2023 at 07:10, Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Which Git repo?  The CSV code is a game changer for awk, otherwise I need
>> > > a hokey python script.
>> > >
>> > Me too!
>> >
>> > > Is it being merged into the Gnu awk that will wind up in Red Hat awk?
>> > > Please please?
>> > >
>> > Debian is an important distribution in this regard, which may go into many
>> > other distros like Ubuntu. I just looked in Debian stable --
>> >
>> > $ apt-cache show original-awk
>> > Package: original-awk
>> > Version: 2022-09-12-1
>> > Installed-Size: 186
>> > Maintainer: Santiago Vila <sanvila@debian.org>
>> > Architecture: amd64
>> > Provides: awk
>> > Pre-Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34)
>> > Description-en: The original awk described in "The AWK Programming Language"
>> >  This is the version of awk described in "The AWK Programming Language",
>> >  by Al Aho, Brian Kernighan, and Peter Weinberger
>> >  (Addison-Wesley, 1988, ISBN 0-201-07981-X).
>> > Description-md5: 7a3c565b081bc0f03d9e79a6fd87fe27
>> > Multi-Arch: foreign
>> > Homepage: https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
>> > Tag: devel::interpreter, implemented-in::c, interface::commandline,
>> >  role::program, scope::utility, use::filtering, use::scanning,
>> >  works-with::text
>> > Section: interpreters
>> > Priority: optional
>> > Filename: pool/main/o/original-awk/original-awk_2022-09-12-1_amd64.deb
>> > Size: 86548
>> > MD5sum: f5a128040710433c276d866038703051
>> > SHA256: f1835f1e5aca2f69e0b997b285b33b45aaa1abf4071edfd7481149076ca80a63
>> >
>> > The key URLs are
>> >   https://packages.debian.org/sid/original-awk
>> >   https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
>> >   sanvila@debian.org
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ajay Shah
>> > ajayshah@mayin.org
>> > http://www.mayin.org/ajayshah
>
>
>
> --
> End of line
> JOB TERMINATED
>
>

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Dave Horsfall]

On Fri, 15 Sep 2023, KenUnix wrote:

> Yes. I normally keep quiet but what does transgender flags have to do 
> with AWK or Unix??

Are you really commenting upon the contents of someone's signature block?

> Let's at least stay with what the purpose of this group is.

Perhaps you could try following your own advice...

-- Dave

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[John Cowan]

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On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 4:04 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:


> Are you really commenting upon the contents of someone's signature block?
>

My view has always been that it's okay to comment on them (within reason)
but not okay to complain about them.  In a .sig block, people can talk
about whatever they want, as long as the block itself is not BUAFed or
otherwise warlord-worthy.

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[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Warren Toomey via TUHS]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 05:09:14AM -0400, KenUnix wrote:
>    Yes. I normally keep quiet but what does transgender flags have to do
>    with AWK or Unix??
>    Let's at least stay with what the purpose of this group is.
>    -Ken

I rarely weigh in on things, but I think this one is important.

The history of Unix is not just of the technology, but also of the
people involved, their successes and travails, and the communities
that they built. Mary Ann referenced a book about her life and
journey in her e-mail's .sig. She is a very important figure in the
history of Unix and I think her .sig is entirely relevant to TUHS.

Cheers, Warren

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Mary Ann Horton]

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Thank you all for the kind words about me and my sig.

I'll add there are parts of this book that focus on UNIX history, 
although in my next memoir (not started yet) the tech will be the 
primary focus.

Thanks,

/Mary Ann Horton/ (she/her/ma'am)
maryannhorton.com <https://maryannhorton.com>

“This is a great book about an amazing journey of a woman
who went through hell to become the person she is today.”
* - Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag*

"Brave and Important - Don’t miss this wonderful book!"
* - Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.*

       Available on Amazon and bn.com. Audiobook on Google Play.

	<https://www.amazon.com/Trailblazer-Lighting-Transgender-Equality-Corporate-ebook/dp/B0B8F2BR9B>



On 9/15/23 13:17, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 05:09:14AM -0400, KenUnix wrote:
>>     Yes. I normally keep quiet but what does transgender flags have to do
>>     with AWK or Unix??
>>     Let's at least stay with what the purpose of this group is.
>>     -Ken
> I rarely weigh in on things, but I think this one is important.
>
> The history of Unix is not just of the technology, but also of the
> people involved, their successes and travails, and the communities
> that they built. Mary Ann referenced a book about her life and
> journey in her e-mail's .sig. She is a very important figure in the
> history of Unix and I think her .sig is entirely relevant to TUHS.
>
> Cheers, Warren

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[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Warner Losh]

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On Fri, Sep 15, 2023, 10:09 AM KenUnix <ken.unix.guy@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Yes. I normally keep quiet but what does transgender flags have to do with
> AWK or Unix??
>


Why do you care? It's none of your business. We have all kinds of other
signs. Why complain about someone writing a book about her life. She
exists. She has an interesting story. Don't like it, leave rather than
posting homophobic slurs.

Warner

Warner

> Let's at least stay with what the purpose of this group is.
>
> -Ken
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 11:54 PM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
>
>> This is getting off-topic, folks...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Arnold
>>
>> Ajay Shah <ajayshah@mayin.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, 15 Sept 2023 at 07:10, Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Which Git repo?  The CSV code is a game changer for awk, otherwise I
>> need
>> > > a hokey python script.
>> > >
>> > Me too!
>> >
>> > > Is it being merged into the Gnu awk that will wind up in Red Hat awk?
>> > > Please please?
>> > >
>> > Debian is an important distribution in this regard, which may go into
>> many
>> > other distros like Ubuntu. I just looked in Debian stable --
>> >
>> > $ apt-cache show original-awk
>> > Package: original-awk
>> > Version: 2022-09-12-1
>> > Installed-Size: 186
>> > Maintainer: Santiago Vila <sanvila@debian.org>
>> > Architecture: amd64
>> > Provides: awk
>> > Pre-Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34)
>> > Description-en: The original awk described in "The AWK Programming
>> Language"
>> >  This is the version of awk described in "The AWK Programming Language",
>> >  by Al Aho, Brian Kernighan, and Peter Weinberger
>> >  (Addison-Wesley, 1988, ISBN 0-201-07981-X).
>> > Description-md5: 7a3c565b081bc0f03d9e79a6fd87fe27
>> > Multi-Arch: foreign
>> > Homepage: https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
>> > Tag: devel::interpreter, implemented-in::c, interface::commandline,
>> >  role::program, scope::utility, use::filtering, use::scanning,
>> >  works-with::text
>> > Section: interpreters
>> > Priority: optional
>> > Filename: pool/main/o/original-awk/original-awk_2022-09-12-1_amd64.deb
>> > Size: 86548
>> > MD5sum: f5a128040710433c276d866038703051
>> > SHA256: f1835f1e5aca2f69e0b997b285b33b45aaa1abf4071edfd7481149076ca80a63
>> >
>> > The key URLs are
>> >   https://packages.debian.org/sid/original-awk
>> >   https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
>> >   sanvila@debian.org
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ajay Shah
>> > ajayshah@mayin.org
>> > http://www.mayin.org/ajayshah
>>
>
>
> --
> End of line
> JOB TERMINATED
>
>
>

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[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Norman Wilson]

To the Attention of Warren Toomey (and all who stay in his
hotel):

I don't care enough to weigh in on any issues that don't
interest me, but I am the most important person in the
world, and whatever I say goes, so you better listen or
you'll be sorry.

It is my very important opinion that only things I want
to hear about should be discussed on this mailing list.
I want to hear about Unix and awk, but not about perl.
No one must talk about any shell except Ken's original.
The sun scares me, forcing me to hack all night and sleep
all day (never mind the malicious stories that I press
wild flowers); therefore there must never be any mention
of Sun Microsystems or Solaris.  I am also worried that
a comet will fall on my house and damage my Twinkie
stockpile, so no discussion of the VAX-11/750 is allowed,
nor of work done by the Bell Labs Computing Science
Research Center during the 1980s when much of their
work was done on systems of that model, which were even
named (ewwwww!!!) after comets.

Any mention of non-nerd-approved(TM) subjects is also
forbidden, including Agricola, ferrets, mimes (which are
even scarier than comets!), Lions (and Tigers and Bears),
lurgi, csv files, and gannets (they wet their nests).
Not to mention Bazonka.

I hereby direct the moderators of this list, who must
obey my every command, to terminate with extreme prejudice
anyone who dares even to think of violating these rules.

Viva la revolution!

Yeliz Gardinovich Bimmler (Mrs)
Port Morton, Alabama, CUS

[TUHS] The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[markus schnalke]

Hoi,

I just discovered that one of my favorite computer books about my
best liked programming language (besides C) releases in a second
edition. Does anyone know what the differences of 1st and 2nd
edition are?

As the original book is almost perfect, the only rework and
extension direction I can think of is towards different
implementations like gawk, mawk, portability and such things.

Does anyone know more about it? Maybe some inside information? ;-)


meillo

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[christopher fujino]

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Oh wow, this is really interesting. Haven't read the original, maybe I
should pick this up.

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 12:51 PM markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de> wrote:

> Hoi,
>
> I just discovered that one of my favorite computer books about my
> best liked programming language (besides C) releases in a second
> edition. Does anyone know what the differences of 1st and 2nd
> edition are?
>
> As the original book is almost perfect, the only rework and
> extension direction I can think of is towards different
> implementations like gawk, mawk, portability and such things.
>
> Does anyone know more about it? Maybe some inside information? ;-)
>
>
> meillo
>

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[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[arnold]

Hi.

markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de> wrote:

> Hoi,
>
> I just discovered that one of my favorite computer books about my
> best liked programming language (besides C) releases in a second
> edition. Does anyone know what the differences of 1st and 2nd
> edition are?
>
> As the original book is almost perfect, the only rework and
> extension direction I can think of is towards different
> implementations like gawk, mawk, portability and such things.
>
> Does anyone know more about it? Maybe some inside information? ;-)
>
> meillo

Inside information? As it happens, yes, I do have some. :-)
(I was a reviewer.)

[In the below, "awk" means Brian Kernighan's awk.]

In the 36 (!) years since the first edition was published, awk
has undergone, shall we say, a large number of small changes. These
are listed in the FIXES file currently in the master branch of
https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk.

In addition, Brian Kernighan decided to add support for UTF-8 input,
which is what awk now expects, and support for CSV input files when
invoked with the --csv option. Furthermore, there is a new \u escape
sequence which must be followed by 1-8 hexadecimal digits for specifying
Unicode code points.

The book itself has been carefully revised. The large second chapter
which was a reference to the full language was moved to an appendix.
Many of the example programs from the first edition were retained
and updated, but there is also quite of lot of pleasing new material.

There is mention of, and occasional comparison with, gawk, mawk and
Ben Hoyt's GoAwk, but by and large the focus is on the authors' version.

The new code is currently in the "csv" branch of the above Github
repo.  The maintainer is in the process of tidying up the repo (dealing
with issues and pull requests) and will merge the csv branch into
master sometime in the very near future.

I'm told that the printed books with get to the publisher's warehouse
towards the end of September. The book is available now on O'Reilly's
Safari learning site (safari.oreilly.com) for anyone who has a
subscription.

Matching code (--csv and \u) are in gawk's master branch now. I will
make a release this fall, after the new code has moved into master
in BWK's awk.

I heartily recommend the book; it is totally up to Brian Kernighan's
usual very high standard.

Enjoy,

Arnold

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Norman Wilson]

Thanks, both for this message and for all
your hard work!

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[markus schnalke]

Hoi,

thanks a lot for your helpful answer. This was the kind of answer
I was wishing to get.

It's hard to resist getting the book, after your favorable words.
;-)


meillo



[2023-09-10 21:41] arnold@skeeve.com
>
> Hi.
> 
> markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de> wrote:
> 
> > Hoi,
> >
> > I just discovered that one of my favorite computer books about my
> > best liked programming language (besides C) releases in a second
> > edition. Does anyone know what the differences of 1st and 2nd
> > edition are?
> >
> > As the original book is almost perfect, the only rework and
> > extension direction I can think of is towards different
> > implementations like gawk, mawk, portability and such things.
> >
> > Does anyone know more about it? Maybe some inside information? ;-)
> >
> > meillo
> 
> Inside information? As it happens, yes, I do have some. :-)
> (I was a reviewer.)
> 
> [In the below, "awk" means Brian Kernighan's awk.]
> 
> In the 36 (!) years since the first edition was published, awk
> has undergone, shall we say, a large number of small changes. These
> are listed in the FIXES file currently in the master branch of
> https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk.
> 
> In addition, Brian Kernighan decided to add support for UTF-8 input,
> which is what awk now expects, and support for CSV input files when
> invoked with the --csv option. Furthermore, there is a new \u escape
> sequence which must be followed by 1-8 hexadecimal digits for specifying
> Unicode code points.
> 
> The book itself has been carefully revised. The large second chapter
> which was a reference to the full language was moved to an appendix.
> Many of the example programs from the first edition were retained
> and updated, but there is also quite of lot of pleasing new material.
> 
> There is mention of, and occasional comparison with, gawk, mawk and
> Ben Hoyt's GoAwk, but by and large the focus is on the authors' version.
> 
> The new code is currently in the "csv" branch of the above Github
> repo.  The maintainer is in the process of tidying up the repo (dealing
> with issues and pull requests) and will merge the csv branch into
> master sometime in the very near future.
> 
> I'm told that the printed books with get to the publisher's warehouse
> towards the end of September. The book is available now on O'Reilly's
> Safari learning site (safari.oreilly.com) for anyone who has a
> subscription.
> 
> Matching code (--csv and \u) are in gawk's master branch now. I will
> make a release this fall, after the new code has moved into master
> in BWK's awk.
> 
> I heartily recommend the book; it is totally up to Brian Kernighan's
> usual very high standard.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Arnold
> 

[TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new?

[Stuff Received]

On 2023-09-11 01:59, markus schnalke wrote:
> Hoi,
> 
> thanks a lot for your helpful answer. This was the kind of answer
> I was wishing to get.

More tidbits here: https://www.awk.dev/

S.


> It's hard to resist getting the book, after your favorable words.
> ;-)
> 
> 
> meillo
> 
> 
> 
> [2023-09-10 21:41] arnold@skeeve.com
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>>
>>> I just discovered that one of my favorite computer books about my
>>> best liked programming language (besides C) releases in a second
>>> edition. Does anyone know what the differences of 1st and 2nd
>>> edition are?
>>>
>>> As the original book is almost perfect, the only rework and
>>> extension direction I can think of is towards different
>>> implementations like gawk, mawk, portability and such things.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know more about it? Maybe some inside information? ;-)
>>>
>>> meillo
>>
>> Inside information? As it happens, yes, I do have some. :-)
>> (I was a reviewer.)
>>
>> [In the below, "awk" means Brian Kernighan's awk.]
>>
>> In the 36 (!) years since the first edition was published, awk
>> has undergone, shall we say, a large number of small changes. These
>> are listed in the FIXES file currently in the master branch of
>> https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk.
>>
>> In addition, Brian Kernighan decided to add support for UTF-8 input,
>> which is what awk now expects, and support for CSV input files when
>> invoked with the --csv option. Furthermore, there is a new \u escape
>> sequence which must be followed by 1-8 hexadecimal digits for specifying
>> Unicode code points.
>>
>> The book itself has been carefully revised. The large second chapter
>> which was a reference to the full language was moved to an appendix.
>> Many of the example programs from the first edition were retained
>> and updated, but there is also quite of lot of pleasing new material.
>>
>> There is mention of, and occasional comparison with, gawk, mawk and
>> Ben Hoyt's GoAwk, but by and large the focus is on the authors' version.
>>
>> The new code is currently in the "csv" branch of the above Github
>> repo.  The maintainer is in the process of tidying up the repo (dealing
>> with issues and pull requests) and will merge the csv branch into
>> master sometime in the very near future.
>>
>> I'm told that the printed books with get to the publisher's warehouse
>> towards the end of September. The book is available now on O'Reilly's
>> Safari learning site (safari.oreilly.com) for anyone who has a
>> subscription.
>>
>> Matching code (--csv and \u) are in gawk's master branch now. I will
>> make a release this fall, after the new code has moved into master
>> in BWK's awk.
>>
>> I heartily recommend the book; it is totally up to Brian Kernighan's
>> usual very high standard.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Arnold
>>