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From: Warner Losh <>
To: Clem Cole <>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: emacs
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 18:53:46 -0600	[thread overview]
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On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 6:44 PM Clem Cole <> wrote:

> Cantrell’s teco was pretty fast and used a lot less resources than any of
> the Unix EMACS invocations.  Gosling / CMU EMACS showed up in 81 on the Vax
> and is where mocklisp came from.   Zimmerman EMACS may have been earlier at
> MIT but Steve sold it to CCA so it was not nearly as widespread. Noel may
> know more. We got a license from CCA in ‘84 and shipped it on the Masscomp
> systems.
> Rms did like a number things gosling did and start to rewrite it.  (The
> defaults were different from ITS was one of his issues). He released his
> version around 85. FWIW:   There is still some bad blood wrt to that whole
> path best I can tell.

RMS started with Gosling's emacs, did a half-hearted rewrite by evolving
that code and claimed it all as his. Gosling was understandably upset by
this and made him stop. The release notes from the early teens of releases
document some of the drama. The last thing was the screen code and was
still a sticking point even after the rewrite... a lot happened on mailing
lists too, but I've not found those archives..

The ill will was well earned...


I think there were a couple of others.
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:04 PM Will Senn <> wrote:
>> As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs,
>> but lately I've been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting
>> lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently
>> went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I
>> used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation as
>> a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you
>> with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of
>> which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff.
>> My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it a
>> full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some
>> other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix?
>> Will
> --
> Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-04  0:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-04  0:04 [TUHS] emacs Will Senn
2023-08-04  0:19 ` [TUHS] emacs Adam Thornton
2023-08-04  0:27   ` Rob Pike
2023-08-04  0:49     ` Larry McVoy
2023-08-04  1:00       ` Rich Salz
2023-08-04 13:25         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-08-04  0:32   ` Warner Losh
2023-08-04  1:23     ` Larry Stewart
2023-08-04 13:38       ` Ronald Natalie
2023-08-04  1:59     ` Will Senn
2023-08-04  2:26       ` Erik E. Fair
2023-08-04  0:39   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2023-08-04  0:44 ` Clem Cole
2023-08-04  0:47   ` Clem Cole
2023-08-04  0:53   ` Warner Losh [this message]
2023-08-04  2:14   ` Dan Halbert
2023-08-04  2:18 ` Bakul Shah
2023-08-04  2:17 Noel Chiappa
2023-08-04  5:03 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-08-05  4:34 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-08-04  2:36 Noel Chiappa
2023-08-04  2:42 ` Rob Pike
2023-08-04 16:19 ` Clem Cole
2023-08-05  4:09   ` George Michaelson

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