Re: [TUHS] SunOS code?

Re: [TUHS] SunOS code?

[Noel Chiappa]

    > From: Henry Bent

    > just because you can find source (or binaries, or CD images, etc.) on
    > the internet, that doesn't make it the least bit legal. ... The concept
    > of "abandonware" has no legal footing whatsoever.

True; but if all the copies of a particular item are discarded, one can make
all the lawyers on the planet as happy as clams, and it won't do a bit of
good. Save the bits, _then_ work out the legal issues, is my thinking on
priorities.

     Noel

(PS: 'Internet' is spelled with a capital; there are many internets, but only
one Internet, just as there are many white houses, but only one White House. If
the technical community, which _does_ understand the difference, can't get it's
act together, how can we expect the media, etc, to do the right thing?)

[TUHS] Saving the Unix Bits

[Warren Toomey]

On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 01:58:04PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> True; but if all the copies of a particular item are discarded, one can make
> all the lawyers on the planet as happy as clams, and it won't do a bit of
> good. Save the bits, _then_ work out the legal issues, is my thinking on
> priorities.

I'll also follow up on Henry and Noel's e-mail w.r.t the Unix Archive that
TUHS provides. The only files in the public archive are ones where the legal
issues have been resolved. I also keep a hidden archive of files where the
legal issues have not been resolved.

As always, if you would like me to keep an off-site backup of your Unix
bits, the hidden Unix archive is write-only. Save the bits, and also
be mindful of the legal issues.

Cheers, Warren

Re: [TUHS] Saving the Unix Bits

[Clem Cole]

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On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 4:34 PM Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 01:58:04PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> > True; but if all the copies of a particular item are discarded, one can
> make
> > all the lawyers on the planet as happy as clams, and it won't do a bit of
> > good. Save the bits, _then_ work out the legal issues, is my thinking on
> > priorities.
>
Amen!!!


>
> Save the bits, and also
> be mindful of the legal issues.
>
Exactly -- we do need to be respectful of the legal issues. That is
reality; but as Noel suggest and Warren has demonstrated -- a museum has to
have the object in its posession, before you can argue who owns it ;-)

Clem

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Re: [TUHS] Saving the Unix Bits

[William Pechter]

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One thing I'd like to see saved for the historical value is Pyramid OS/x.
It was one of those things I'd have liked to see the internals of -- but I
wasn't supposed to have that level accesss in Ed Services.

It is an interesting mix of both the SysV and BSD environments and it's a
shame it's probably completely gone now.

I think the last work on it may have been at Siemens, since I think the
last bit of Pyramid that was left was rumored to
go to SVR4 (I was there for the DC/OSx transition -- I worked on the
courseware fixes and beta testing).

I heard from a friend that they may have gone to Solaris before the end
hit.  I think they were swallowed by Fujitsu.

Amazingly, I heard some of my SVR4 courseware stuff ended up in
illustrations used in Solaris courseware.  My name was in the illustration
of the password file.  A trainer hired at least 5 years after me went to
Sun and I hear some of my stuff went along for the ride.

I long wished they had done the full Linux dual universe thing on a *BSD
varient.

I'd be running FreeBSD on my desktop if I could just watch Netflix with
it.  Linux, Windows and MacOS have enough pull for Google to port their
Widevine

Bill





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On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 4:34 PM Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 01:58:04PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> > True; but if all the copies of a particular item are discarded, one can
> make
> > all the lawyers on the planet as happy as clams, and it won't do a bit of
> > good. Save the bits, _then_ work out the legal issues, is my thinking on
> > priorities.
>
> I'll also follow up on Henry and Noel's e-mail w.r.t the Unix Archive that
> TUHS provides. The only files in the public archive are ones where the
> legal
> issues have been resolved. I also keep a hidden archive of files where the
> legal issues have not been resolved.
>
> As always, if you would like me to keep an off-site backup of your Unix
> bits, the hidden Unix archive is write-only. Save the bits, and also
> be mindful of the legal issues.
>
> Cheers, Warren
>

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Re: [TUHS] SunOS code?

[Dave Horsfall]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, Noel Chiappa wrote:

> (PS: 'Internet' is spelled with a capital; there are many internets, but 
> only one Internet, just as there are many white houses, but only one 
> White House. If the technical community, which _does_ understand the 
> difference, can't get it's act together, how can we expect the media, 
> etc, to do the right thing?)

Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.

At every technical lecture I do, I insist upon Internet, but the younger 
generation these days think that they invented it because of Google 
browsing etc.

-- Dave, in a grouchy mood having having three teeth pulled out

Re: [TUHS] Saving the Unix Bits

[Dave Horsfall]

On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, Warren Toomey wrote:

> As always, if you would like me to keep an off-site backup of your Unix 
> bits, the hidden Unix archive is write-only. Save the bits, and also be 
> mindful of the legal issues.

It is really important that Unix history is preserved, lest the 
revisionists (they start with an "L") take over.

Disclaimer: I have a hidden archive of some of the "naughty" bits.

-- Dave