From: Luther Johnson <luther@makerlisp.com>
To: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:01:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ec8eac92-1bec-e2de-5091-ba2bfea3e0e0@makerlisp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD2gp_QDw4Vn+QBgRpB1rrbejHoSND9ZT9pepVvB+Nddfqnp5w@mail.gmail.com>
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I take your points. C gives a lot of freedom, but all things are not
possible. I think what comes to mind for me is when I see the idea of
trying to limit solutions to use only certain certain "design patterns",
I usually would go in the direction of more freedom and less rules.
On 03/14/2023 12:48 PM, John Cowan wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:24 PM Luther Johnson <luther@makerlisp.com
> <mailto:luther@makerlisp.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm talking more about where the intent is to invest languages
> with more "safety", "good practices", to bake certain preferences
> into language features, so that writers no longer recognize these
> as engineering choices, and the language as a means of expression
> of any choice we might make, but that the language has built-in
> "the right way" to do things, and if the program compiles and runs
> at all, then it must be safe and working in certain respects.
>
>
> ORLY? Do you reject C, then, because it does not support
> self-modifying code or the ability to jump into the middle of a
> procedure without going through the prologue? These are baked-in
> preferences, and if a C program compiles at all, you can be sure that
> it does neither of these things, even if it would benefit your program
> greatly if they were available.
>
> Some people would say that's exactly what the new dialects bring
> us, but I see too much artificial orthodoxy invented last week,
> and too many declarations of the "one true way", in many of the
> most recent languages, for my taste.
>
>
> Since you agree that it is a matter of taste, there can of course be
> no disputing it.
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-10 11:37 [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary Noel Chiappa
2023-03-10 11:51 ` [TUHS] Conditions, AKA exceptions. (Was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-10 15:54 ` [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary Dan Cross
2023-03-12 7:39 ` Anthony Martin
2023-03-12 11:40 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-12 16:40 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 3:25 ` John Cowan
2023-03-13 10:40 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2023-03-13 12:19 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-13 12:43 ` [TUHS] [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Alejandro Colomar
2023-03-13 12:46 ` [TUHS] " Dan Cross
2023-03-13 16:00 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 19:00 ` Clem Cole
2023-03-13 19:09 ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-13 19:17 ` Steve Nickolas
2023-03-13 20:26 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-13 22:25 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2023-03-13 19:24 ` [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects Luther Johnson
2023-03-13 19:38 ` Luther Johnson
2023-03-14 19:48 ` John Cowan
2023-03-14 19:56 ` Joseph Holsten
2023-03-14 20:01 ` Luther Johnson [this message]
2023-03-13 20:48 ` [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 20:56 ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-14 1:06 ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-13 21:00 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 21:07 ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-13 21:14 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-13 22:15 ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-13 22:47 ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-14 0:23 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-14 0:21 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-14 13:52 ` Chet Ramey
2023-03-14 1:27 ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-13 21:28 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-14 10:04 ` [TUHS] C dialects Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-14 20:02 ` [TUHS] " John Cowan
2023-03-14 21:34 ` Thomas Paulsen
2023-03-14 0:38 ` [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) John Cowan
2023-03-14 2:49 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-14 3:06 ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-03-15 2:23 [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects Douglas McIlroy
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