* Re: A new game [not found] <200206291805.UAA12831@mailbox-5.st1.spray.net> @ 2002-06-29 19:04 ` Will Yardley 2002-06-29 19:29 ` Bart Schaefer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Will Yardley @ 2002-06-29 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users mattn wrote: > This is a new game > This game is my first work. > You're the first player. > I hope you would like it. is there still widespread opposition to closing this list to non-members (or at least using tdma for confirmation, or holding posts from non-members)? i think i get almost as many messages that are UBE or viruses from this list as i do actual messages. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: A new game 2002-06-29 19:04 ` A new game Will Yardley @ 2002-06-29 19:29 ` Bart Schaefer 2002-06-29 19:43 ` Closed list? (was Re: A new game) Will Yardley 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Bart Schaefer @ 2002-06-29 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On Jun 29, 12:04pm, Will Yardley wrote: } } is there still widespread opposition to closing this list to non-members I don't think that's the solution, at least for viruses. The virus that started this particular thread mails itself to address book entries while using other address book entries to forge the From: header. That makes it reasonably likely that either the sender is a subscriber, or would appear to be one unless the SMTP envelope were examined by the list software. The list is run with ezmlm, which implies qmail; it ought to be possible to plug in some kind of a virus filter with qmail-scanner. -- Bart Schaefer Brass Lantern Enterprises http://www.well.com/user/barts http://www.brasslantern.com Zsh: http://www.zsh.org | PHPerl Project: http://phperl.sourceforge.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Closed list? (was Re: A new game) 2002-06-29 19:29 ` Bart Schaefer @ 2002-06-29 19:43 ` Will Yardley 2002-06-29 20:13 ` Cameron McBride 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Will Yardley @ 2002-06-29 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users Bart Schaefer wrote: > On Jun 29, 12:04pm, Will Yardley wrote: > > is there still widespread opposition to closing this list to non-members > I don't think that's the solution, at least for viruses. The virus > that started this particular thread mails itself to address book > entries while using other address book entries to forge the From: > header. That makes it reasonably likely that either the sender is a > subscriber, or would appear to be one unless the SMTP envelope were > examined by the list software. > > The list is run with ezmlm, which implies qmail; it ought to be > possible to plug in some kind of a virus filter with qmail-scanner. yes, but if the From address is forged, isn't there a good chance that the person whose address is in the From: header isn't a subscriber? anyway piping the list through demime might help a bit, although a lot of viruses would still get through that. i am not worried about being infected, but it is a waste of time and bandwidth for all parties involved. also, closing the list (or better, requiring confirmation for posts from non-list members) would still cut out most / all of the spam that gets sent to this list. i haven't personally used TMDA, and it looks like it's a bit of a pain to setup, but it would be good for this sort of thing (and i'd imagine it can be configured to work with qmail / EZMLM). just my $0.02 -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Closed list? (was Re: A new game) 2002-06-29 19:43 ` Closed list? (was Re: A new game) Will Yardley @ 2002-06-29 20:13 ` Cameron McBride 2002-06-30 8:12 ` Borsenkow Andrej 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Cameron McBride @ 2002-06-29 20:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users I would be up for something that at least strips out the large mime stuff. I can still filter spam client side, but getting the several daily large attachments is getting annoying. (yes, I still use dial-up) If you wanted to do some limiting -- I think that non-members having to be 'approved' is the most severe that should be implemented. Cameron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Closed list? (was Re: A new game) 2002-06-29 20:13 ` Cameron McBride @ 2002-06-30 8:12 ` Borsenkow Andrej 2002-06-30 9:07 ` Vincent Lefevre 2002-06-30 15:36 ` Cameron McBride 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Borsenkow Andrej @ 2002-06-30 8:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Cameron McBride; +Cc: zsh-users В Вск, 30.06.2002, в 00:13, Cameron McBride написал: > I would be up for something that at least strips out the large mime > stuff. No. I do not understand why MIME is still considered the root of all evils. This is the most natural way of posting patches and patches can be large. > I can still filter spam client side, but getting the several > daily large attachments is getting annoying. (yes, I still use dial-up) > In which case MIME is exactly what helps to avoid them. Get provider that supports IMAP and kill these messages without even downloading them. If you get reasonable mail client you can read test without downloading the whole attachments. > If you wanted to do some limiting -- I think that non-members having to > be 'approved' is the most severe that should be implemented. > Who is going to be moderator? -andrej ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Closed list? (was Re: A new game) 2002-06-30 8:12 ` Borsenkow Andrej @ 2002-06-30 9:07 ` Vincent Lefevre 2002-06-30 15:36 ` Cameron McBride 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Vincent Lefevre @ 2002-06-30 9:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 12:12:40 +0400, Borsenkow Andrej wrote: > ? ???, 30.06.2002, ? 00:13, Cameron McBride ???????: > > I would be up for something that at least strips out the large mime > > stuff. > > No. I do not understand why MIME is still considered the root of all > evils. This is the most natural way of posting patches and patches can > be large. I agree, but the virus seems to use multipart/alternative content-type and when patches are attached, it should be something else (for instance, multipart/mixed). Perhaps only detect multipart/alternative? -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.org> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/> - 100% validated (X)HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Closed list? (was Re: A new game) 2002-06-30 8:12 ` Borsenkow Andrej 2002-06-30 9:07 ` Vincent Lefevre @ 2002-06-30 15:36 ` Cameron McBride 2002-06-30 16:13 ` Heinrich Götzger 2002-07-01 5:16 ` Borsenkow Andrej 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Cameron McBride @ 2002-06-30 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users > > I would be up for something that at least strips out the large mime > > stuff. > > No. I do not understand why MIME is still considered the root of all > evils. This is the most natural way of posting patches and patches can > be large. OK, reasonable argument -- and you are right. However, there does have to be *some* method of elimination before they get sent. Perhaps filter on content type from the mime attachments (say 'application/octet-stream', etc), which would eliminate a few. > that supports IMAP and kill these messages without even downloading > them. If you get reasonable mail client you can read test without > downloading the whole attachments. Heh. OK, so the argument here is to better enjoy the list, I change my provider and get a decent mail client. Nice response... At least it is a reasonable suggestion of things to try if I hadn't thought of them and had it available. > > If you wanted to do some limiting -- I think that non-members having to > > be 'approved' is the most severe that should be implemented. I guess I wasn't clear -- I was trying to say that I think the list should stay open, with the above choice as the most severe limitation to be chosen. For a support / informational ML, I do not see the point of limiting posts only to subscribers. Sorry for my lack of clarity in the previous message. If I am the only one annoyed, or represent a severe minority -- it shouldn't matter, as I can live with it. However, if there are other members that are as annoyed... Cameron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Closed list? (was Re: A new game) 2002-06-30 15:36 ` Cameron McBride @ 2002-06-30 16:13 ` Heinrich Götzger 2002-07-01 5:16 ` Borsenkow Andrej 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Heinrich Götzger @ 2002-06-30 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Cameron McBride; +Cc: zsh-users ok, now I feel that I have to say something about this as well. In my daily eMail delivery are 10-20% of Spam and all these stuff from nigeria and so on. It's not about the traffic, but about the time I need to sort the good and the bad ones. I feel anoyed about getting all these stuff, but, as Cameron said, I can live with it so far. What about a filter in the listagent. I do not know about ezmlm but I know majordomo for example and it allows to filter about content and subject and all these stuff. I'm sure this is possible with ezmlm as well. I have to deal with these subjects as an administrator of a mailinglist for an open source project which we don't want to close for none subscribers as well. We won't aprove every mail but we want to keep it clear of dirt. So we set up the filter and it worked out fine till now. But I have to say, our list dosn't have as much traffic as this one. so far, regards Heinrich -- http://www.xmlBlaster.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* RE: Closed list? (was Re: A new game) 2002-06-30 15:36 ` Cameron McBride 2002-06-30 16:13 ` Heinrich Götzger @ 2002-07-01 5:16 ` Borsenkow Andrej 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Borsenkow Andrej @ 2002-07-01 5:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Cameron McBride', zsh-users > > that supports IMAP and kill these messages without even downloading > > them. If you get reasonable mail client you can read test without > > downloading the whole attachments. > > Heh. OK, so the argument here is to better enjoy the list, I change my > provider and get a decent mail client. Nice response... At least it > is a reasonable suggestion of things to try if I hadn't thought of them > and had it available. > I did not intend to offend anybody just pointed out that blocking mail just because it is in MIME makes little sense. I do not like spam here as well but the problem with any mail blocking is you end up blocking legitimate mail. More than once my posts to other lists were rejected because mail software found them offending for whatever reason. Besides this mail list is run by external authority and in the past we had problems contacting maintainers. -andrej ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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