From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: "Lawrence Velázquez" <larryv@zsh.org>
Cc: Ray Andrews <rayandrews@eastlink.ca>, zsh-users@zsh.org
Subject: Re: Most minimal configuration challenge
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 02:38:17 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMP44s0iiSLM4myXfJaoTWs8zs6BdJhK4HfNGqOsFNGgwU+5mQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <962d44b9-a3e3-4979-b951-feac4cf5bb8d@www.fastmail.com>
On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 12:41 AM Lawrence Velázquez <larryv@zsh.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 9:49 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 8:27 PM Lawrence Velázquez <larryv@zsh.org> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Ray Andrews wrote:
> >> > Only people who have just now learned something can
> >> > explain it in a way that other people who want to learn it can relate to
> >> > because
> >> > only the learner has the mind of a learner.
> >>
> >> Someone who has "just now learned something" has the shallowest
> >> possible understanding of it and can only perpetuate that shallow
> >> understanding.
> >
> > That is not quite true. Yes, the vast majority of newcomers have the
> > shallowest understanding of zsh, but not necessarily of shells,
> > programming languages, configuration systems, or any number of things
> > that might be relevant.
> >
> > This would be like saying a programmer entering the world of economics
> > only has the shallowest of understandings and therefore cannot provide
> > anything of value.
>
> You are misrepresenting what I said.
No, I'm pretty certain you said newcomers "can only perpetuate that
shallow understanding", but that's not true, that's not the *only*
thing they can do. Sometimes they can come up with a new
interpretation, or maybe an analogy nobody had thought of before.
Sometimes they can even make suggestions to change things so this
understanding is simplified, or perhaps even unnecessary.
I don't think you meant to say that, but that's what you literally said.
> > Ultimately the people who should judge prose meant for newcomers, are
> > newcomers. If they say it isn't clear, then it isn't clear.
>
> Obviously.
Then we are in agreement. A zsh veteran expert saying "this should be
good for all newcomers" is not proof that it's truly good for all
newcomers, the feedback from newcomers is still important.
Cheers.
--
Felipe Contreras
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-09-02 7:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-27 4:30 Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 16:10 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-27 19:32 ` Vincent Bernat
2022-08-27 20:04 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-08-27 23:53 ` Ray Andrews
2022-08-28 7:53 ` zzapper
2022-08-28 10:30 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-28 13:59 ` Ray Andrews
2022-08-28 18:29 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-31 9:28 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-31 14:17 ` Ray Andrews
2022-09-01 21:52 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 1:41 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-02 1:26 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-02 1:49 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 5:40 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-02 7:38 ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2022-09-02 10:36 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 14:26 ` Ray Andrews
2022-09-04 7:13 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-04 16:30 ` Ray Andrews
2022-09-02 10:39 ` [PATCH] zstyle: Correct and expand docs (was: Re: Most minimal configuration challenge) Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 15:05 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-04 6:51 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 13:55 ` Most minimal configuration challenge Ray Andrews
2022-09-04 7:21 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-04 16:34 ` Ray Andrews
2022-09-02 13:32 ` Ray Andrews
2022-09-04 7:28 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 9:53 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 9:26 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 14:44 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-04 6:42 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-05 9:47 ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-12 8:59 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-28 18:58 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-28 19:23 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-28 19:35 ` Ray Andrews
2022-08-28 18:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 1:36 ` Vincent Lefevre
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