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From: Roman V Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] "Blocks" in C
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 2009 09:01:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1251993672.16936.4779.camel@work.SFBay.Sun.COM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60909030844r8760a8fu1b27d6e60965ecfb@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 08:44 -0700, David Leimbach wrote:

> The blocks aren't interesting at all by themselves, I totally agree
> with that.  However what they do to let you write a function inline,
> that can be pushed to another function, to be executed on a concurrent
> FIFO, is where the real power comes out.
>
>
> I'm not 100% sure why the heck they did it this way, which is totally
> different from any other version of concurrent programming setup I've
> seen, except maybe that Apple likes to "think different"?

It seems that quite a few concurrency frameworks worth the paper their
APIs are written on, are converging on this model. The ultimate goal
has to do with encapsulation of the computation into idempotent units
and describing the topology between those units. That separates the
executor from the semantics of computations nicely and has all sorts of
bonuses as far as bridging the gap between SMP and distributes systems
are concerned.

I think the semantics of what needs to be done is well understood. The
million dollar question is how to best express such a semantics in what
still looks like a programming language.

What Apple has done is one way of attacking the problem. Where I sit we
explore CPS for doing very similar sort of thing. One point is clear --
there no consensus yet.

Thanks,
Roman.





  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-03 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-02  8:04 Anant Narayanan
2009-09-02  9:43 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2009-09-02 11:00   ` Philippe Anel
2009-09-02 11:13   ` Charles Forsyth
2009-09-03  9:52   ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-02 11:40 ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-02 12:32 ` Uriel
2009-09-02 14:20   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-09-03  9:52     ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-03 10:48       ` Akshat Kumar
2009-09-03 11:25         ` Charles Forsyth
2009-09-03 13:59         ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-03 15:15     ` Uriel
2009-09-03 15:44       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 16:01         ` Roman V Shaposhnik [this message]
2009-09-04  9:15           ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-04 16:49             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-03 16:02         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 18:56           ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 18:58             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 19:13               ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 19:36                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 19:50                   ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 20:30                     ` Iruata Souza
2009-09-06 22:35                     ` Uriel
2009-09-07  0:41                       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 21:08                   ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-03 21:35                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 21:45                       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 21:49                         ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 21:51                           ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 22:36                       ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-04  9:16               ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-03 22:10           ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-03 22:07         ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-04  9:15         ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-04  3:21       ` Anant Narayanan
2009-09-04  3:52         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04  4:18           ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04  4:44             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04  5:31               ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04  5:35                 ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04  7:11                   ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04  7:47                     ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04 14:41                       ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04 15:04                         ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04 15:58                           ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04 12:14                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 13:52                       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04 13:59                         ` matt
2009-09-04 14:20                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 14:56                           ` David Leimbach
2009-09-06 23:03                             ` Uriel
2009-09-07  0:45                               ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04 16:50                       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04  6:45               ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04 16:44           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04 16:58             ` Iruata Souza
2009-09-04 17:09               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04 17:42             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 18:34               ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 21:54               ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-07  9:06             ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-07  9:05         ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-07  9:40           ` Uriel
2009-09-08 15:31             ` David Leimbach
2009-09-08 15:44               ` Uriel
2009-09-08 16:40               ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-11 18:15                 ` Iruata Souza
2009-09-11 18:46                   ` David Leimbach
2009-09-11 20:36                   ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-11 21:28                     ` David Leimbach
2009-09-14 16:07                       ` Lawrence E. Bakst
2009-09-12 11:08                     ` Anant Narayanan
2009-09-13 19:03                       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-17  1:54                         ` Lawrence E. Bakst
2009-09-17  8:43                           ` Charles Forsyth
2009-09-17  9:12                             ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-17 15:56                             ` David Leimbach
2009-09-17 17:38                               ` Jack Norton
2009-09-17 20:23                                 ` Anant Narayanan
2009-09-17 20:26                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-17 20:31                                     ` Anant Narayanan
2009-09-17 20:47                                       ` Akshat Kumar
2009-09-17 21:02                                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-17 22:26                                           ` Steve Simon
2009-09-17 22:32                                           ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-18  2:05                                             ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-18  9:30                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2009-09-18 11:41                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-17 21:03                                       ` Uriel
2009-09-03  9:52   ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-02 14:08 ` Rodolfo (kix)
2009-09-03  9:52   ` Greg Comeau
     [not found] ` <C56117D7BD9A097270529AAE@192.168.1.2>
2009-09-02 15:07   ` David Leimbach
2009-09-02 15:26     ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-02 15:45       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 15:32     ` Uriel
2009-09-03 15:49       ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-03 15:54         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 16:20           ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-03 16:44             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04  1:05               ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-04  1:30               ` Russ Cox
2009-09-04  1:32                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 21:54             ` James Tomaschke
2009-09-06 22:26           ` Uriel
2009-09-04  9:04       ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-02 15:20 ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-02 17:51   ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04  1:35 drivers
2009-09-04  1:52 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-17  9:19 Andrew Simmons
2009-09-17 14:45 ` LiteStar numnums
2009-09-17 17:24 ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-18 15:50 drivers
2009-09-18 15:56 ` erik quanstrom

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