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From: Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com>
To: comeau@comeaucomputing.com,
	Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] "Blocks" in C
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 2009 09:49:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <262B885A-5320-40F1-9484-EB16CF0F1AC9@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <h7p8ia$3ho$1@panix2.panix.com>

On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Greg Comeau wrote:
> In article <1251993672.16936.4779.camel@work.SFBay.Sun.COM>,
> Roman V Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 08:44 -0700, David Leimbach wrote:
>>
>>> The blocks aren't interesting at all by themselves, I totally agree
>>> with that.  However what they do to let you write a function inline,
>>> that can be pushed to another function, to be executed on a
>>> concurrent
>>> FIFO, is where the real power comes out.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not 100% sure why the heck they did it this way, which is
>>> totally
>>> different from any other version of concurrent programming setup
>>> I've
>>> seen, except maybe that Apple likes to "think different"?
>>
>> It seems that quite a few concurrency frameworks worth the paper
>> their
>> APIs are written on, are converging on this model. The ultimate goal
>> has to do with encapsulation of the computation into idempotent units
>> and describing the topology between those units. That separates the
>> executor from the semantics of computations nicely and has all
>> sorts of
>> bonuses as far as bridging the gap between SMP and distributes
>> systems
>> are concerned.
>>
>> I think the semantics of what needs to be done is well understood.
>> The
>> million dollar question is how to best express such a semantics in
>> what
>> still looks like a programming language.
>>
>> What Apple has done is one way of attacking the problem. Where I
>> sit we
>> explore CPS for doing very similar sort of thing. One point is
>> clear --
>> there no consensus yet.
>
> I don't think I follow what you just said

I can explain if there's interest. Perhaps in a different thread.

Thanks,
Roman.

P.S. I've just spent past couple of months working on a prototype of
a parallel framework. I'm not sure I'll be allowed to continue that
work,
so I might as well brag about it here.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-04 16:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-02  8:04 Anant Narayanan
2009-09-02  9:43 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2009-09-02 11:00   ` Philippe Anel
2009-09-02 11:13   ` Charles Forsyth
2009-09-03  9:52   ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-02 11:40 ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-02 12:32 ` Uriel
2009-09-02 14:20   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-09-03  9:52     ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-03 10:48       ` Akshat Kumar
2009-09-03 11:25         ` Charles Forsyth
2009-09-03 13:59         ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-03 15:15     ` Uriel
2009-09-03 15:44       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 16:01         ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-04  9:15           ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-04 16:49             ` Roman Shaposhnik [this message]
2009-09-03 16:02         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 18:56           ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 18:58             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 19:13               ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 19:36                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 19:50                   ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 20:30                     ` Iruata Souza
2009-09-06 22:35                     ` Uriel
2009-09-07  0:41                       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 21:08                   ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-03 21:35                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 21:45                       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 21:49                         ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 21:51                           ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 22:36                       ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-04  9:16               ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-03 22:10           ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-03 22:07         ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-04  9:15         ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-04  3:21       ` Anant Narayanan
2009-09-04  3:52         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04  4:18           ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04  4:44             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04  5:31               ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04  5:35                 ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04  7:11                   ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04  7:47                     ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04 14:41                       ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04 15:04                         ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04 15:58                           ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04 12:14                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 13:52                       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04 13:59                         ` matt
2009-09-04 14:20                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 14:56                           ` David Leimbach
2009-09-06 23:03                             ` Uriel
2009-09-07  0:45                               ` David Leimbach
2009-09-04 16:50                       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04  6:45               ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04 16:44           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04 16:58             ` Iruata Souza
2009-09-04 17:09               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04 17:42             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 18:34               ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 21:54               ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-07  9:06             ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-07  9:05         ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-07  9:40           ` Uriel
2009-09-08 15:31             ` David Leimbach
2009-09-08 15:44               ` Uriel
2009-09-08 16:40               ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-11 18:15                 ` Iruata Souza
2009-09-11 18:46                   ` David Leimbach
2009-09-11 20:36                   ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-11 21:28                     ` David Leimbach
2009-09-14 16:07                       ` Lawrence E. Bakst
2009-09-12 11:08                     ` Anant Narayanan
2009-09-13 19:03                       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-17  1:54                         ` Lawrence E. Bakst
2009-09-17  8:43                           ` Charles Forsyth
2009-09-17  9:12                             ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-17 15:56                             ` David Leimbach
2009-09-17 17:38                               ` Jack Norton
2009-09-17 20:23                                 ` Anant Narayanan
2009-09-17 20:26                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-17 20:31                                     ` Anant Narayanan
2009-09-17 20:47                                       ` Akshat Kumar
2009-09-17 21:02                                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-17 22:26                                           ` Steve Simon
2009-09-17 22:32                                           ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-18  2:05                                             ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-18  9:30                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2009-09-18 11:41                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-17 21:03                                       ` Uriel
2009-09-03  9:52   ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-02 14:08 ` Rodolfo (kix)
2009-09-03  9:52   ` Greg Comeau
     [not found] ` <C56117D7BD9A097270529AAE@192.168.1.2>
2009-09-02 15:07   ` David Leimbach
2009-09-02 15:26     ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-02 15:45       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-03 15:32     ` Uriel
2009-09-03 15:49       ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-03 15:54         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 16:20           ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-03 16:44             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04  1:05               ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-04  1:30               ` Russ Cox
2009-09-04  1:32                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-03 21:54             ` James Tomaschke
2009-09-06 22:26           ` Uriel
2009-09-04  9:04       ` Greg Comeau
2009-09-02 15:20 ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-02 17:51   ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-04  1:35 drivers
2009-09-04  1:52 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-17  9:19 Andrew Simmons
2009-09-17 14:45 ` LiteStar numnums
2009-09-17 17:24 ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-18 15:50 drivers
2009-09-18 15:56 ` erik quanstrom

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