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From: Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: configure misery
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:54:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200311181254.hAICsfAX010621@skeeve.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1068997081@[192.168.42.6]>

In article <2147483647.1068997081@[192.168.42.6]> you write:
>I wasn't (necessarily) implying that. My biggest concern with GNU code
>(and this is not a GPL issue) is the massive feature-itis in the
>traditional UNIX tools. It's fine for GNU tools to grow new features if
>that's what they want, but when those tools are shipped as replacements
>for the traditional UNIX ones, we start seeing lots of portability
>problems. gawk is one example of this. When it's installed and invoked
>as awk it doesn't disable the GNU extensions.

It's against the GNU Coding Standards to have a program's behavior
depend on its name, and this makes some sense.  One easy solution
is to have /bin/awk be:

	#! /bin/sh

	exec gawk --posix "$@"

And maybe BSD and Linux distributions should do just that.
Alternatively, you can put

	export POSIXLY_CORRECT=1

into /etc/profile. (This latter is rather draconian, but it would work.)

I'll agree that GNUware is too featureful.  This includes gawk, which
has suffered much from my then-youthful enthusiasm.  I currently try to
avoid feature creeep, but old habits die hard.  Naetheless, there are
lots of things people ask for that I say "no" to.  So I'm learning,
albeit slowly.  (A decent extension mechanism and standardize API
into the interpreter's internals would move the problem out of the core
code. Not enough time...)

Featuritis isn't unique to the GNU world though.  Anybody looked at
ksh93 recently?  Who needs awk or perl or sed anymore?

Arnold


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-18 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-16  8:04 Aharon Robbins
2003-11-16  8:37 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-11-16 14:46   ` Charles Forsyth
2003-11-16  9:53 ` Bruce Ellis
2003-11-16 19:11 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-11-16 19:32   ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-11-16 21:43     ` Dan Cross
2003-11-16 23:37       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-11-17  0:04         ` mirtchov
2003-11-17  0:04           ` boyd, rounin
2003-11-17  3:18         ` Dan Cross
2003-11-17  3:28           ` boyd, rounin
2003-11-16 21:46     ` Russ Cox
2003-11-16 22:24       ` mirtchov
2003-11-16 22:47         ` Russ Cox
2003-11-17  0:38         ` Mike Haertel
2003-11-16 22:38       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-11-16 22:41         ` boyd, rounin
2003-11-18 12:54         ` Aharon Robbins [this message]
2003-11-18 14:11           ` Russ Cox
2003-11-18 14:55             ` Joel Salomon
2003-11-17  0:24       ` Enache Adrian
2003-11-17 12:16         ` Aharon Robbins
2003-11-17 23:16           ` Taj Khattra
2003-11-16 19:58   ` boyd, rounin
2003-11-17  0:30     ` [9fans] mmap (was configure misery) Geoff Collyer
2003-11-17  0:29       ` boyd, rounin
2003-11-17 12:25   ` [9fans] Re: configure misery Aharon Robbins
2003-11-17  0:42 ` John Stalker
2003-11-17 12:28   ` Aharon Robbins
2003-11-17 12:42     ` Lucio De Re
2003-11-17 12:53       ` Lucio De Re
2003-11-17 13:43         ` Aharon Robbins
2003-11-17 15:06           ` mirtchov
2003-11-17 15:35           ` David Presotto
2003-11-17 16:31       ` John Stalker
2003-11-17 17:19         ` Aharon Robbins
2004-01-30 15:30 [9fans] Re: [hangar18-general] Frustration Jim Choate
2004-02-03 17:11 ` [9fans] Re: configure misery rog
2004-02-04 16:48   ` Jim Choate
2004-02-03  3:49 Li Yi
2004-02-03 11:30 ` Aharon Robbins
2004-02-03 13:32   ` a
2004-02-03 15:34     ` Jim Choate
2004-02-03 16:29       ` a
2004-02-03 14:18   ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-03 15:36     ` Jim Choate
2004-02-03 16:32       ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-03 16:42         ` Jim Choate
2004-02-03 23:53       ` David Presotto
2004-02-04  8:13     ` Aharon Robbins
2004-02-03 15:33   ` Jim Choate
2004-02-03 16:27     ` a
2004-02-03 16:44       ` Jim Choate
2004-02-03 16:53         ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-04 16:45           ` Jim Choate
2004-02-03 17:01         ` Wes Kussmaul
2004-02-04 17:47 Spamm Trapp

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