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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@engr.sgi.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] acme, rio workalike available in plan 9 ports
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:55:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040422173022.GA28499@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404201800450.15385-100000@maxroach.lanl.gov>

On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 12:19:47AM +0000, ron minnich wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, boyd, rounin wrote:
> 
> > > how long does it take to recompile the entire system if you have a bug in
> > printf?
> 
> wrong question. On many of these later systems, as I said, app .o is tied
> to lib .so. So it doesn't matter if you just rebuild the library -- the 
> app may not be fixed because it is tied to (e.g.) GLIBC 2.0 versioned 
> symbols, and the fixed symbols are later versions. So you replace a broken 
> libc.so with a new one, and guess what? not all your apps are fixed. You 
> have to replace the apps anyway, so they'll use the right symbols. 

Your statement doesn't make a lot of sense.  The symbol version is
incremented when the interface changes, e.g. FILE grows or off_t or what
the heck.  It's not incremented when the implementation changes.  And
when you look over glibs you'll the symbols with older versions are
usually wrappers around the current version.  And even if not you can
be sure the maintainers will fix all versions if it's possible without
changing the interface.

That beeing said I'm the last one to defend glibc's bloat, but in a
system where you can't easily rebuild all binaries for whatever
reason shared libraries and symbol versioning makes a lot of sense.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-23  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-20 23:04 boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 23:18 ` matt
2004-04-20 23:26   ` Geoff Collyer
2004-04-20 23:28     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 23:48     ` matt
2004-04-20 23:59       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-21  3:18         ` Bruce Ellis
2004-04-21  8:51           ` matt
2004-04-21  9:24           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-21  9:49           ` C H Forsyth
2004-04-21 12:14           ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21  0:07     ` Russ Cox
2004-04-21  0:18 ` ron minnich
2004-04-21  0:19   ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21  2:09     ` ron minnich
2004-04-21  2:20       ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21  3:43         ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-04-23  8:55   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2004-04-23  8:59     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-23 15:03     ` ron minnich
2004-04-23 15:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-04-23 15:54         ` ron minnich
2004-04-23 16:20           ` Joel Salomon
2004-04-23 17:03             ` ron minnich
2004-04-23 16:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-04-23 17:04             ` ron minnich
2004-04-23 17:52               ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-04-21  0:40 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-04-21  3:25   ` Bruce Ellis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-21  0:38 Charles Forsyth
2004-03-21 21:45 Noah Evans
2004-03-21 22:15 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-03-21 20:43 Andrey S. Kukhar
2004-03-21 15:57 Noah Evans
2004-03-21  5:07 Noah Evans
2004-03-21  5:25 ` Russ Cox
2004-03-21  6:12 ` Scott Schwartz
2004-03-21 14:02   ` Russ Cox
2004-03-21  4:51 Russ Cox
2004-03-21 21:03 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-03-22 16:30 ` Axel Belinfante
2004-03-23  9:59   ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-03-23 12:23     ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-23 13:17       ` David Presotto
2004-03-23 13:30         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-23 15:04           ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-23 15:39         ` a
2004-03-23 15:09     ` Russ Cox
2004-03-23 15:12       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-23 15:29         ` Russ Cox
2004-03-23 15:13       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-23 15:39       ` Axel Belinfante
2004-03-23 15:49         ` a
2004-03-23 16:23           ` Russ Cox
2004-03-23 16:27             ` Axel Belinfante
2004-03-23 16:54             ` a
2004-04-01 10:50             ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-01 13:24               ` Russ Cox
2004-04-01 13:54                 ` Scott Schwartz
2004-04-01 14:33                   ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-01 16:14                   ` Russ Cox
2004-04-01 15:25                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-02  9:29                 ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-02 10:09                   ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-02 11:15                     ` Steve Simon
2004-04-02 15:24                       ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-19 10:04                       ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-02 11:55                     ` C H Forsyth
2004-04-02 14:30                   ` Russ Cox
2004-04-02 14:53                     ` C H Forsyth
2004-04-19 10:04                     ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-19 11:07                       ` Steve Simon
2004-04-20  8:38                         ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-20 12:12                           ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 12:20                             ` lucio
2004-04-20 12:32                               ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 12:58                                 ` lucio
2004-04-20 13:03                                   ` lucio
2004-04-21  9:03                                   ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-21  9:17                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-21  9:02                               ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-21  9:02                             ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-21  9:28                               ` lucio
2004-04-21 13:53                               ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-19 15:00                       ` Russ Cox
2004-04-19 18:51                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20  8:38                         ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-20 12:15                           ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 14:56                             ` ron minnich
2004-04-20 17:43                               ` Eli Collins
2004-04-20 15:51                                 ` ron minnich
2004-04-20 17:10                                   ` jmk
2004-04-20 17:34                                     ` Eli Collins
2004-04-20 17:39                                       ` jmk
2004-04-20 19:42                                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 19:09                                     ` ron minnich
2004-04-20 16:10                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-20 16:21                                   ` ron minnich
2004-04-20 16:40                                   ` Eli Collins
2004-04-20 19:31                                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 19:20                                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-24 10:42         ` Axel Belinfante

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