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From: ron minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] acme, rio workalike available in plan 9 ports
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:18:45 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404201800450.15385-100000@maxroach.lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <086a01c4272b$dc362730$0fca7d50@SOMA>

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, boyd, rounin wrote:

> > how long does it take to recompile the entire system if you have a bug in
> printf?

wrong question. On many of these later systems, as I said, app .o is tied
to lib .so. So it doesn't matter if you just rebuild the library -- the 
app may not be fixed because it is tied to (e.g.) GLIBC 2.0 versioned 
symbols, and the fixed symbols are later versions. So you replace a broken 
libc.so with a new one, and guess what? not all your apps are fixed. You 
have to replace the apps anyway, so they'll use the right symbols. 

Maybe I'm painting a grimmer picture than reality, but that's the way it 
looks to me.

The old goal of shared libs was to provide an implementation-independent
interface to a set of functions in a possibly changing library. It's
pretty hard to square this goal with the idea of versioned symbols. I've
seen cases on some OSes where the vendor told you (to fix a bug) to update
the shared library and all the apps -- although the type signature of the
fixed function in question had not changed. That's weird.

A rebuild of all of gnubin is a rather long process. Best way to find out 
how long is to build a gentoo linux system. It's interesting.

ron



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-21  0:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-20 23:04 boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 23:18 ` matt
2004-04-20 23:26   ` Geoff Collyer
2004-04-20 23:28     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 23:48     ` matt
2004-04-20 23:59       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-21  3:18         ` Bruce Ellis
2004-04-21  8:51           ` matt
2004-04-21  9:24           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-21  9:49           ` C H Forsyth
2004-04-21 12:14           ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21  0:07     ` Russ Cox
2004-04-21  0:18 ` ron minnich [this message]
2004-04-21  0:19   ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21  2:09     ` ron minnich
2004-04-21  2:20       ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21  3:43         ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-04-23  8:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-04-23  8:59     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-23 15:03     ` ron minnich
2004-04-23 15:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-04-23 15:54         ` ron minnich
2004-04-23 16:20           ` Joel Salomon
2004-04-23 17:03             ` ron minnich
2004-04-23 16:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-04-23 17:04             ` ron minnich
2004-04-23 17:52               ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-04-21  0:40 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-04-21  3:25   ` Bruce Ellis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-21  0:38 Charles Forsyth
2004-03-21 21:45 Noah Evans
2004-03-21 22:15 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-03-21 20:43 Andrey S. Kukhar
2004-03-21 15:57 Noah Evans
2004-03-21  5:07 Noah Evans
2004-03-21  5:25 ` Russ Cox
2004-03-21  6:12 ` Scott Schwartz
2004-03-21 14:02   ` Russ Cox
2004-03-21  4:51 Russ Cox
2004-03-21 21:03 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-03-22 16:30 ` Axel Belinfante
2004-03-23  9:59   ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-03-23 12:23     ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-23 13:17       ` David Presotto
2004-03-23 13:30         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-23 15:04           ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-23 15:39         ` a
2004-03-23 15:09     ` Russ Cox
2004-03-23 15:12       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-23 15:29         ` Russ Cox
2004-03-23 15:13       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-23 15:39       ` Axel Belinfante
2004-03-23 15:49         ` a
2004-03-23 16:23           ` Russ Cox
2004-03-23 16:27             ` Axel Belinfante
2004-03-23 16:54             ` a
2004-04-01 10:50             ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-01 13:24               ` Russ Cox
2004-04-01 13:54                 ` Scott Schwartz
2004-04-01 14:33                   ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-01 16:14                   ` Russ Cox
2004-04-01 15:25                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-02  9:29                 ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-02 10:09                   ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-02 11:15                     ` Steve Simon
2004-04-02 15:24                       ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-19 10:04                       ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-02 11:55                     ` C H Forsyth
2004-04-02 14:30                   ` Russ Cox
2004-04-02 14:53                     ` C H Forsyth
2004-04-19 10:04                     ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-19 11:07                       ` Steve Simon
2004-04-20  8:38                         ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-20 12:12                           ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 12:20                             ` lucio
2004-04-20 12:32                               ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 12:58                                 ` lucio
2004-04-20 13:03                                   ` lucio
2004-04-21  9:03                                   ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-21  9:17                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-21  9:02                               ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-21  9:02                             ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-21  9:28                               ` lucio
2004-04-21 13:53                               ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-19 15:00                       ` Russ Cox
2004-04-19 18:51                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20  8:38                         ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-04-20 12:15                           ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 14:56                             ` ron minnich
2004-04-20 17:43                               ` Eli Collins
2004-04-20 15:51                                 ` ron minnich
2004-04-20 17:10                                   ` jmk
2004-04-20 17:34                                     ` Eli Collins
2004-04-20 17:39                                       ` jmk
2004-04-20 19:42                                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 19:09                                     ` ron minnich
2004-04-20 16:10                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-20 16:21                                   ` ron minnich
2004-04-20 16:40                                   ` Eli Collins
2004-04-20 19:31                                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-20 19:20                                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-24 10:42         ` Axel Belinfante

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