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From: Roman Shaposhnick <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Install from CD fails
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:34:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060419193403.GA7976@submarine> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <905a9ed2fd4bfc85f6f2764c8efaa0f7@quanstro.net>

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:35:27PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
> i think there is a #3 here.  extension.
>
> dynamic linking allows one to extend a program without inventing a metalanguage.
> i believe there is a paper on how inferno's shell uses this to nice effect.

  I think you're confusing two notions here. What you're talking about
  sounds more like dynamic loading, not dynamic linking. And with dynamic
  loading the control is *explicitly* at client's possession. You're
  supposed to know what to dlopen, what to look for inside, etc. Such
  a controlled environment lets you be much more precise and avoid
  many of the shortcomings of the true "dynamic linking".

  Now, it would be interesting to know what others think about the need
  for dynamic loading in Plan9.

  Personally, my dream has always been to make all of the applications
  which rely heavily on console input-output to be dynamically loaded
  on top of each other, so that when I do something like:

    $ bash
    <long session with bash, with lots of useful stuff in history and such>
    $ gdb

  I don't leave shell (and lose all of the context) but I rather have
  my shell augmented with gdb commands. Sort of like Tcl works with
  external modules.

  Have anybody thought about anything likes this ?

Thanks,
Roman.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-04-19 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-19  2:35 erik quanstrom
2006-04-19  3:53 ` Russ Cox
2006-04-19  4:25   ` [9fans] dynamic module loading and versioning Michael Baldwin
2006-04-19  9:37     ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-19  9:40       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-19  9:54         ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-19 14:12           ` Artem Letko
2006-04-19 17:49             ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-19 19:34 ` Roman Shaposhnick [this message]
2006-04-19 19:42   ` [9fans] Install from CD fails Bruce Ellis
2006-04-20  1:07     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-20  2:02       ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-19 19:45   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19 21:16   ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-19 21:46   ` quanstro
2006-04-20  1:03     ` rog
2006-04-20  6:08       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-20 15:59         ` rog
2006-04-20  4:02     ` Roman Shaposhnick
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-04-25  2:16 erik quanstrom
2006-04-21 15:49 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20 10:36 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20 10:30 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20 13:50 ` David Leimbach
2006-04-20 17:55 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-25  2:02 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-20  9:57 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20 11:00 ` R
2006-04-20  1:45 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20  3:03 ` Michael Baldwin
2006-04-20  5:58   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-21 11:34   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-21 15:46     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-21 15:47     ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-20  1:41 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20  6:17 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19  8:19 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2006-04-19  3:27 Mike Haertel
2006-04-19  3:04 erik quanstrom
2006-04-19  2:47 erik quanstrom
2006-04-17 22:07 Bakul Shah
2006-04-18  0:01 ` Russ Cox
2006-04-18 14:36   ` Gorka guardiola
2006-04-18 15:47     ` Russ Cox
2006-04-18 14:45       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-18 16:12         ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 16:42           ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-04-18 16:46           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 16:47             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 17:41               ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-18 17:46               ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 17:55                 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 18:06                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-04-18 22:37                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-18 18:54                   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 19:22                     ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 20:14                       ` lucio
2006-04-18 20:34                       ` Russ Cox
2006-04-18 19:52                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-20 21:16                         ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-04-18 20:45                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-18 21:08                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 21:39                       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-18 21:54                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 23:19                           ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-19  1:05                             ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-19 14:17                             ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 14:31                               ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19 15:32                               ` Chad Dougherty
2006-04-19 15:45                                 ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 15:57                                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-04-19 17:45                                     ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 23:56                                       ` geoff
2006-04-19 16:49                                   ` Russ Cox
2006-04-19 17:50                                     ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 17:55                                       ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-04-19 18:45                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19 18:55                                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 23:27                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-18 23:29                           ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-04-18 23:48                             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-19 14:25                             ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 14:31                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-19 15:51                                 ` Tim Wiess
2006-04-19 19:53                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-04-20 14:39                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20 15:50                                     ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-20 21:20                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20 21:42                                         ` Dan Cross
2006-04-20 22:06                                           ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-21  3:43                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-21  4:37                                             ` Dan Cross
2006-04-21 16:08                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20 22:09                                         ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-04-20 23:09                                           ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-21  3:45                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-21  4:31                                             ` Dan Cross
2006-04-21 13:36                                               ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-04-21  4:46                                             ` lucio
2006-04-18 19:34                     ` jmk
2006-04-18 19:52                       ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 20:34                     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-18 21:04                     ` Dan Cross
2006-04-18 21:11                       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 21:16                         ` Dan Cross
2006-04-18 21:21                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 21:24                       ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19  2:53                         ` geoff
2006-04-19  3:16                           ` Dan Cross
2006-04-19  3:28                             ` geoff
2006-04-20 22:35                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-19  3:02                         ` Dan Cross
2006-04-18 20:44                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20  3:10                   ` LiteStar numnums
2006-04-18 16:48             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 16:58               ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 17:02             ` uriel
2006-04-18 17:30               ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 20:21           ` Richard Miller
2006-04-18 21:10             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19  1:14             ` geoff
2006-04-19 12:49               ` Richard Miller
2006-04-19 13:21                 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 16:17       ` Dave Eckhardt
2006-04-18 19:17         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-19  0:28   ` Bakul Shah
2006-04-19  1:45     ` Russ Cox

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