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From: Roman Shaposhnick <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Install from CD fails
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:35:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060420223543.GS21244@submarine> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79f0f2cef345552f7f8efc922440bfcd@collyer.net>

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 07:53:30PM -0700, geoff@collyer.net wrote:
> During the Christmas holidays in 1989, I ran a little benchmark
> (`forktime') on various machines.  The program was roughly
>
> 	loop many times
> 		fork
> 		parent waits
> 		child exits
>
> I ran it twice or more linked statically and twice or more linked
> dynamically on each machine.  The machines were lightly loaded.  For
> 1000 iterations, user time is consistently about 100ms for
> statically-linked forktime, but 4-11 times that when dynamically
> linked (i.e., using shared libraries).
>
> System times are more interesting.  SunOS 3.5 had no shared libraries,
> so Sun seems to have sped up fork() by about 50% between SunOS 3.5 and
> 4.0 for statically-linked programs, but then lost all that performance
> and more when using shared libraries on 4.0, which took almost 4 times
> as much system time as statically-linked forktime on 4.0.
>
> We scratched our heads about what in the world the kernel was doing
> for 42ms per fork.  Even on a Sun 3/50, that's a lot of cycles.
>
> This was a long time ago, but it's some actual measurements.

  It is still somewhat reproducible. We had a little chat about this
  issue with a colleague of mine, who happens to be an expert in
  performance tuning and the consensus seems to be that:

    1. First of all, you see dynamic linker resolving calls to _exit
    in every child process because of the default lazy binding policy.
    You can instruct it to do just the opposite by LD_BIND_NOW and
    cut the time in half.

    2. Even if you do #1 the dynamically linked binary is still inferior
    to the statically linked one because of the calls not being direct
    and going through the level of indirection.

Thanks,
Roman.

P.S. And yes, Solaris 10 banned static libraries :-(


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-04-20 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-17 22:07 Bakul Shah
2006-04-18  0:01 ` Russ Cox
2006-04-18 14:36   ` Gorka guardiola
2006-04-18 15:47     ` Russ Cox
2006-04-18 14:45       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-18 16:12         ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 16:42           ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-04-18 16:46           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 16:47             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 17:41               ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-18 17:46               ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 17:55                 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 18:06                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-04-18 22:37                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-18 18:54                   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 19:22                     ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 20:14                       ` lucio
2006-04-18 20:34                       ` Russ Cox
2006-04-18 19:52                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-20 21:16                         ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-04-18 20:45                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-18 21:08                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 21:39                       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-18 21:54                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 23:19                           ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-19  1:05                             ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-19 14:17                             ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 14:31                               ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19 15:32                               ` Chad Dougherty
2006-04-19 15:45                                 ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 15:57                                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-04-19 17:45                                     ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 23:56                                       ` geoff
2006-04-19 16:49                                   ` Russ Cox
2006-04-19 17:50                                     ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 17:55                                       ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-04-19 18:45                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19 18:55                                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 23:27                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-18 23:29                           ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-04-18 23:48                             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-19 14:25                             ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 14:31                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-19 15:51                                 ` Tim Wiess
2006-04-19 19:53                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-04-20 14:39                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20 15:50                                     ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-20 21:20                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20 21:42                                         ` Dan Cross
2006-04-20 22:06                                           ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-21  3:43                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-21  4:37                                             ` Dan Cross
2006-04-21 16:08                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20 22:09                                         ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-04-20 23:09                                           ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-21  3:45                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-21  4:31                                             ` Dan Cross
2006-04-21 13:36                                               ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-04-21  4:46                                             ` lucio
2006-04-18 19:34                     ` jmk
2006-04-18 19:52                       ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 20:34                     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-18 21:04                     ` Dan Cross
2006-04-18 21:11                       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 21:16                         ` Dan Cross
2006-04-18 21:21                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 21:24                       ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19  2:53                         ` geoff
2006-04-19  3:16                           ` Dan Cross
2006-04-19  3:28                             ` geoff
2006-04-20 22:35                           ` Roman Shaposhnick [this message]
2006-04-19  3:02                         ` Dan Cross
2006-04-18 20:44                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20  3:10                   ` LiteStar numnums
2006-04-18 16:48             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 16:58               ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 17:02             ` uriel
2006-04-18 17:30               ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 20:21           ` Richard Miller
2006-04-18 21:10             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19  1:14             ` geoff
2006-04-19 12:49               ` Richard Miller
2006-04-19 13:21                 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 16:17       ` Dave Eckhardt
2006-04-18 19:17         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-19  0:28   ` Bakul Shah
2006-04-19  1:45     ` Russ Cox
2006-04-19  2:35 erik quanstrom
2006-04-19  3:53 ` Russ Cox
2006-04-19 19:34 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-19 19:42   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-20  1:07     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-20  2:02       ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-19 19:45   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19 21:16   ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-19 21:46   ` quanstro
2006-04-20  1:03     ` rog
2006-04-20  6:08       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-20 15:59         ` rog
2006-04-20  4:02     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-19  2:47 erik quanstrom
2006-04-19  3:04 erik quanstrom
2006-04-19  3:27 Mike Haertel
2006-04-19  8:19 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2006-04-20  1:41 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20  6:17 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-20  1:45 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20  3:03 ` Michael Baldwin
2006-04-20  5:58   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-21 11:34   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-21 15:46     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-21 15:47     ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-20  9:57 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20 11:00 ` R
2006-04-20 10:30 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20 13:50 ` David Leimbach
2006-04-20 17:55 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-25  2:02 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-20 10:36 erik quanstrom
2006-04-21 15:49 erik quanstrom
2006-04-25  2:16 erik quanstrom

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