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From: "Jack Johnson" <knapjack@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Install from CD fails
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:50:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e35c0620604200850w2cd27446y873df69308755e24@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44479D04.5040706@lanl.gov>

On 4/20/06, Ronald G Minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov> wrote:
> It's still not a bad idea, if you look at EFI you see a poorly-designed
> OS masquerading as a BIOS. If you're going to use a poorly designed OS,
> you might as well use one that has drivers and people already understand.

Slightly interesting read; watch your sodium intake:

http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20030910_231.html#7

"The guys at Intel were having problems getting a traditional PC style
BIOS to run on the first Itaniums, realized they had a opportunity to
come up with a cleaner firmware interface and came up with EFI. Open
Firmware was considered but dropped because it was not compatible with
ACPI, and they did not want to dilute the momentum that had built up
for ACPI."

...which seems a shame (and may be apocryphal).  I never minded
OpenFirmware/OpenBoot, and until the EFI Macs shipped I still had my
hopes up.  Maybe they couldn't find enough Forth programmers.  :)

Linus' rant and the unofficial (but informed) Intel response that
followed are worth a read.

-Jack


  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-20 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-17 22:07 Bakul Shah
2006-04-18  0:01 ` Russ Cox
2006-04-18 14:36   ` Gorka guardiola
2006-04-18 15:47     ` Russ Cox
2006-04-18 14:45       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-18 16:12         ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 16:42           ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-04-18 16:46           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 16:47             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 17:41               ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-18 17:46               ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 17:55                 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 18:06                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-04-18 22:37                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-18 18:54                   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 19:22                     ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 20:14                       ` lucio
2006-04-18 20:34                       ` Russ Cox
2006-04-18 19:52                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-20 21:16                         ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-04-18 20:45                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-18 21:08                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 21:39                       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-18 21:54                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 23:19                           ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-19  1:05                             ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-19 14:17                             ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 14:31                               ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19 15:32                               ` Chad Dougherty
2006-04-19 15:45                                 ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 15:57                                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-04-19 17:45                                     ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 23:56                                       ` geoff
2006-04-19 16:49                                   ` Russ Cox
2006-04-19 17:50                                     ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 17:55                                       ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-04-19 18:45                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19 18:55                                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 23:27                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-18 23:29                           ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-04-18 23:48                             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-19 14:25                             ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19 14:31                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-19 15:51                                 ` Tim Wiess
2006-04-19 19:53                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-04-20 14:39                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20 15:50                                     ` Jack Johnson [this message]
2006-04-20 21:20                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20 21:42                                         ` Dan Cross
2006-04-20 22:06                                           ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-21  3:43                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-21  4:37                                             ` Dan Cross
2006-04-21 16:08                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20 22:09                                         ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-04-20 23:09                                           ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-21  3:45                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-21  4:31                                             ` Dan Cross
2006-04-21 13:36                                               ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-04-21  4:46                                             ` lucio
2006-04-18 19:34                     ` jmk
2006-04-18 19:52                       ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 20:34                     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-18 21:04                     ` Dan Cross
2006-04-18 21:11                       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 21:16                         ` Dan Cross
2006-04-18 21:21                         ` David Leimbach
2006-04-18 21:24                       ` David Leimbach
2006-04-19  2:53                         ` geoff
2006-04-19  3:16                           ` Dan Cross
2006-04-19  3:28                             ` geoff
2006-04-20 22:35                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-19  3:02                         ` Dan Cross
2006-04-18 20:44                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-20  3:10                   ` LiteStar numnums
2006-04-18 16:48             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 16:58               ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 17:02             ` uriel
2006-04-18 17:30               ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-18 20:21           ` Richard Miller
2006-04-18 21:10             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19  1:14             ` geoff
2006-04-19 12:49               ` Richard Miller
2006-04-19 13:21                 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-18 16:17       ` Dave Eckhardt
2006-04-18 19:17         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-19  0:28   ` Bakul Shah
2006-04-19  1:45     ` Russ Cox
2006-04-19  2:35 erik quanstrom
2006-04-19  3:53 ` Russ Cox
2006-04-19 19:34 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-19 19:42   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-20  1:07     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-20  2:02       ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-19 19:45   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-19 21:16   ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-19 21:46   ` quanstro
2006-04-20  1:03     ` rog
2006-04-20  6:08       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-20 15:59         ` rog
2006-04-20  4:02     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-19  2:47 erik quanstrom
2006-04-19  3:04 erik quanstrom
2006-04-19  3:27 Mike Haertel
2006-04-19  8:19 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2006-04-20  1:41 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20  6:17 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-20  1:45 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20  3:03 ` Michael Baldwin
2006-04-20  5:58   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-04-21 11:34   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-21 15:46     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-21 15:47     ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-20  9:57 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20 11:00 ` R
2006-04-20 10:30 erik quanstrom
2006-04-20 13:50 ` David Leimbach
2006-04-20 17:55 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-25  2:02 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-04-20 10:36 erik quanstrom
2006-04-21 15:49 erik quanstrom
2006-04-25  2:16 erik quanstrom

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