Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[Richard Miller]

> if anyone has any information on Plan 9 and Xen, that would be most welcome too.

http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/installing_in_Xen_3.0

This is a paravirtualised kernel which runs on xen; I've used it on an
AWS server with reasonable success.

With modern intel hardware, it's also possible to run normal native plan 9
on Xen.

> for my Plan9 CPU/Auth/File server.   Another candidate
> is raspberry pi.

The pi makes an excellent terminal but I wouldn't use one as a file server.
The only way to attach a local disk is via usb, and the usb interface is
not the strongest point of the Broadcom SoC.  It will be slow and probably
unreliable.

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[hiro]

Been running 9front on kvm lately, and it has even better uptime than
my linux vservers.
What's the advantage for you guys to use XEN as apposed to kvm/qemu?

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[hiro]

I agree with miller about rpi USB and thus ethernet being kind limited
in usefulness.
The kirkwood though is a good basis for non-terminals. Even USB disks
aren't *that* slow in my experience (>10M/s).

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[fgergo]

Hi Kenji,

 a comparison page: http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html
Both "model A" and "model B" work. You most probably want to have "model B".

For details: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.plan9.general/70308

best,
Gergő


On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM,  <kokamoto@hera.eonet.ne.jp> wrote:
>> I have no pi hardware now,
>
> I found the pi hardware is very cheap, 4500円 in Japan.
> I also found 4 kinds of arm based hardware in the sources.
> Which is the hardware we can buy now?
>
> Kenji
>
>

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[kokamoto]

> I have no pi hardware now, 

I found the pi hardware is very cheap, 4500円 in Japan.
I also found 4 kinds of arm based hardware in the sources.
Which is the hardware we can buy now?

Kenji

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[kokamoto]

>> What did work was using 5c from /n/9atom (
>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.plan9.general/68992)!
> 
> hey, i like that solution.

I suppose you are kidding.
It's really dangerous to mix both distributions,
if you don't know what you are doing.☺

Kenji

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[erik quanstrom]

> I recompiled 5c, which purged the problem, thanks.
> One thing, recent pc/trap.c has validalign() function, which
> is expected in port/syscallfmt.c.   The trap.c in bcm has not.
> Then, I put void function on the filewhich proceeded compilation
> safely.

validalign should be in ../omap/arch.c, since bcm/arch.c is just
	#include "../omap/arch.c"
i see why this was done, but i've also tripped on this.  it seems
like there should be an easy way to avoid this issue, but i don't
currently know what it is.

- erik

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[kokamoto]

> have you recompiled the arm libraries and compiler/linker?
> there can be some chicken-and-egg problems with this but they
> are largely mitigated by the c compiler's do-it-yourself attitude.

I recompiled 5c, which purged the problem, thanks.
One thing, recent pc/trap.c has validalign() function, which
is expected in port/syscallfmt.c.   The trap.c in bcm has not.
Then, I put void function on the filewhich proceeded compilation
safely.

I have no pi hardware now, and ha no problem so far.
An solid solution would be wellcome.

Kenji

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[erik quanstrom]

> What did work was using 5c from /n/9atom (
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.plan9.general/68992)!

hey, i like that solution.

- erik

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[erik quanstrom]

> When to compile runebase.c in the port of libc, I got
> runebase.c: 1255 illegal rune in string, where
> the line is:
> 	0xfa6c,	0x242ee,	/* 𤋮 𤋮 */.
> 
> Of course ther are many similar error lines, where
> all the line have 5 digit value such as '0x242ee'.
> Is there any limitations arm rune definition?

have you recompiled the arm libraries and compiler/linker?
there can be some chicken-and-egg problems with this but they
are largely mitigated by the c compiler's do-it-yourself attitude.

- erik

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[Anant Narayanan]

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I found an old thread with a series of steps that called for building the
compilers without runebase first then bringing runebase back into libc
after (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.plan9/rjFtp4F82U0) -
the steps didn't work for me though.

What did work was using 5c from /n/9atom (
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.plan9.general/68992)!

-Anant


On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:37 PM, <kokamoto@hera.eonet.ne.jp> wrote:

> Thanks all.
> I made order the A68N-5000 board yesterday.
> I may have many difficulties to run Plan 9, (UEFI etc),
> in such case I'll run windows on it.☺
>
> By the way, I got attention to arm architecture now.
> I tried to compile raspberry pi on my plan9 machine, and
> got problem.
>
> When to compile runebase.c in the port of libc, I got
> runebase.c: 1255 illegal rune in string, where
> the line is:
>         0xfa6c, 0x242ee,        /* 𤋮 𤋮 */.
>
> Of course ther are many similar error lines, where
> all the line have 5 digit value such as '0x242ee'.
> Is there any limitations arm rune definition?
>
> Kenji
>
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

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Thanks.

> On Jul 1, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> h% ls -l /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9*
> --rw-rw-r-- M 3231 forsyth sys 86727 Jul  1 22:35 /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf
> 
> hget http://www.terzarima.net/dist/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf | page -w
> 
> 
>> On 1 July 2014 21:07, <sl@9front.org> wrote:
>> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI
>> 
>> Do you have a version of this document that is accessible from Plan 9?
>> 
>> sl
> 

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Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[sl]

> /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf

Thanks!

sl

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[Charles Forsyth]

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h% ls -l /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9*
--rw-rw-r-- M 3231 forsyth sys 86727 Jul  1 22:35
/n/sources/contrib/forsyth/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf

hget http://www.terzarima.net/dist/Plan9ServeronEC2.pdf | page -w


On 1 July 2014 21:07, <sl@9front.org> wrote:

> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI
>
> Do you have a version of this document that is accessible from Plan 9?
>
> sl
>
>

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Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

as soon as the US-Belgium match is over :)

On Jul 1, 2014, at 1:07 PM, sl@9front.org wrote:

>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI
> 
> Do you have a version of this document that is accessible from Plan 9?
> 
> sl
> 

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[sl]

> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI

Do you have a version of this document that is accessible from Plan 9?

sl

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

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i have put some instructions together -- from Richard's 9fans posts and
email correspondences -- on how to install your own kernel once you've made
an instance using the AMI that Richard posted.   keep in mind that this
assumes you have a Plan 9 dev environment and you're generating the kernel
in that environment.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Drn3lm0g7C2zdzOj5x9hvhgVln13JoSx-zs_z1KEztI

-Skip



On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote:

> > What's the advantage for you guys to use XEN as apposed to kvm/qemu?
>
> http://thecloudmarket.com/image/ami-cfa332ff--plan9-fossil
>
>
>

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[9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[Richard Miller]

> What's the advantage for you guys to use XEN as apposed to kvm/qemu?

http://thecloudmarket.com/image/ami-cfa332ff--plan9-fossil

[9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[kokamoto]

Thanks all.
I made order the A68N-5000 board yesterday.
I may have many difficulties to run Plan 9, (UEFI etc),
in such case I'll run windows on it.☺

By the way, I got attention to arm architecture now.
I tried to compile raspberry pi on my plan9 machine, and
got problem.

When to compile runebase.c in the port of libc, I got
runebase.c: 1255 illegal rune in string, where
the line is:
	0xfa6c,	0x242ee,	/* 𤋮 𤋮 */.

Of course ther are many similar error lines, where
all the line have 5 digit value such as '0x242ee'.
Is there any limitations arm rune definition?

Kenji

Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[Shane Morris]

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Oh, and the RaspberryPi Mini ITX case - well, motherboard, see here:

http://www.geekroo.com/products/795

Enjoy!


On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Shane Morris <edgecomberts@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Kenji,
>
> I can't vouch for the driver support of such a motherboard, thats best
> left to others. I must say, that is a nice looking motherboard, and I for
> one would be most curious if you were to get it working.
>
> Another alternative, that I am looking into with NUCs is perhaps a Xen
> server, again, better left to others to tell you the support, but at the
> risk of hijacking the thread (please fork it if you have info on Xen) if
> anyone has any information on Plan 9 and Xen, that would be most welcome
> too.
>
> Good luck with the venture and your retirement, and interesting news to
> hear the atomic power facilities are curtailing in your part of the world.
> We should talk about this in future, privately.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Shane.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:28 AM, <kokamoto@hera.eonet.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>> After I retired job (strictory semi-retired) I'm now running Plan9
>> only in my house.   Now, I'm hesitating to setup a C2D machine
>> as CPU/Auth/File server machine.    It eats high level of power.
>> Here in Japan, all the atomic power facilities is stopping.
>> In personal house, high performance is not so neccessary,
>> because most of the work will be done in terminals these days.
>> However, drawterm looks like very attractive for such purpose.
>> Then, CPU server is neccessary which is running all the day.
>>
>> I found AMD Kabini based onboard energy save motherboard
>> called A68N-5000(Biostar), which looks like very attractive
>> for my Plan9 CPU/Auth/File server.   Another candidate
>> is raspberry pi.   However, I wonder it has such as mini-ITX
>> case and power?
>>
>> How do you think about this?
>>
>> Kenji
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[Shane Morris]

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Hi Kenji,

I can't vouch for the driver support of such a motherboard, thats best left
to others. I must say, that is a nice looking motherboard, and I for one
would be most curious if you were to get it working.

Another alternative, that I am looking into with NUCs is perhaps a Xen
server, again, better left to others to tell you the support, but at the
risk of hijacking the thread (please fork it if you have info on Xen) if
anyone has any information on Plan 9 and Xen, that would be most welcome
too.

Good luck with the venture and your retirement, and interesting news to
hear the atomic power facilities are curtailing in your part of the world.
We should talk about this in future, privately.

Many thanks!

Shane.


On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:28 AM, <kokamoto@hera.eonet.ne.jp> wrote:

> After I retired job (strictory semi-retired) I'm now running Plan9
> only in my house.   Now, I'm hesitating to setup a C2D machine
> as CPU/Auth/File server machine.    It eats high level of power.
> Here in Japan, all the atomic power facilities is stopping.
> In personal house, high performance is not so neccessary,
> because most of the work will be done in terminals these days.
> However, drawterm looks like very attractive for such purpose.
> Then, CPU server is neccessary which is running all the day.
>
> I found AMD Kabini based onboard energy save motherboard
> called A68N-5000(Biostar), which looks like very attractive
> for my Plan9 CPU/Auth/File server.   Another candidate
> is raspberry pi.   However, I wonder it has such as mini-ITX
> case and power?
>
> How do you think about this?
>
> Kenji
>
>
>

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[9fans] Kabini or Raspberry Pi?

[kokamoto]

After I retired job (strictory semi-retired) I'm now running Plan9
only in my house.   Now, I'm hesitating to setup a C2D machine
as CPU/Auth/File server machine.    It eats high level of power.
Here in Japan, all the atomic power facilities is stopping.
In personal house, high performance is not so neccessary,
because most of the work will be done in terminals these days.
However, drawterm looks like very attractive for such purpose.
Then, CPU server is neccessary which is running all the day.

I found AMD Kabini based onboard energy save motherboard
called A68N-5000(Biostar), which looks like very attractive
for my Plan9 CPU/Auth/File server.   Another candidate
is raspberry pi.   However, I wonder it has such as mini-ITX
case and power?

How do you think about this?

Kenji