* [9fans] sources access from brazil @ 2007-09-01 17:09 Iruata Souza 2007-09-01 21:41 ` geoff 2007-12-02 23:15 ` [9fans] " Iruata Souza 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Iruata Souza @ 2007-09-01 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Hello, Trying to access sources from Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brazil fails with 'restricted remote address'. Last time I checked, people from Belo Horizonte - MG - Brazil could connect. any hints? iru ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-01 17:09 [9fans] sources access from brazil Iruata Souza @ 2007-09-01 21:41 ` geoff 2007-09-02 1:07 ` Iruata Souza 2007-12-02 23:15 ` [9fans] " Iruata Souza 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: geoff @ 2007-09-01 21:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans It should work now. Brazil's whois server produces non-standard output, so we have to recognise it specially, and the output format has changed since we last adapted to it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-01 21:41 ` geoff @ 2007-09-02 1:07 ` Iruata Souza 2007-09-02 11:47 ` Gabriel Diaz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Iruata Souza @ 2007-09-02 1:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 9/1/07, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > It should work now. Brazil's whois server produces non-standard > output, so we have to recognise it specially, and the output format > has changed since we last adapted to it. > > still the same: I can't connect from Rio de Janeiro but it's ok for a friend in Belo Horizonte. iru ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-02 1:07 ` Iruata Souza @ 2007-09-02 11:47 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-09-02 16:45 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-09-02 19:28 ` geoff 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-09-02 11:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs hello i can't connect now from Spain :) mount/attach disallowed sdls. gabi On 9/2/07, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/1/07, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > > It should work now. Brazil's whois server produces non-standard > > output, so we have to recognise it specially, and the output format > > has changed since we last adapted to it. > > > > > > still the same: I can't connect from Rio de Janeiro but it's ok for a > friend in Belo Horizonte. > > iru > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-02 11:47 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-09-02 16:45 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-09-02 19:28 ` geoff 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-09-02 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs hello it works now again thanks gabi On 9/2/07, Gabriel Diaz <gabidiaz@gmail.com> wrote: > hello > > i can't connect now from Spain :) mount/attach disallowed > > sdls. > > gabi > > > On 9/2/07, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 9/1/07, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > > > It should work now. Brazil's whois server produces non-standard > > > output, so we have to recognise it specially, and the output format > > > has changed since we last adapted to it. > > > > > > > > > > still the same: I can't connect from Rio de Janeiro but it's ok for a > > friend in Belo Horizonte. > > > > iru > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-02 11:47 ` Gabriel Diaz 2007-09-02 16:45 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-09-02 19:28 ` geoff 2007-09-03 2:26 ` Uriel 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: geoff @ 2007-09-02 19:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans If you think you're being denied access incorrectly, please include your IP address(es) in your mail to us. The mostly likely cause is that we can't reach a whois server. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-02 19:28 ` geoff @ 2007-09-03 2:26 ` Uriel 2007-09-03 2:34 ` Noah Evans 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Uriel @ 2007-09-03 2:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs This is probably a silly question, but why should anyone be denied access on the basis of whatever a whois server who knows where might or might not do? Best wishes and thanks for fixing the issues iru was having. uriel On 9/2/07, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > If you think you're being denied access incorrectly, please include > your IP address(es) in your mail to us. The mostly likely cause is > that we can't reach a whois server. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-03 2:26 ` Uriel @ 2007-09-03 2:34 ` Noah Evans 2007-09-03 3:04 ` Uriel 2007-09-03 11:19 ` Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Noah Evans @ 2007-09-03 2:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Uriel, As long as Plan 9 is hosted in the US and contains certain software it's illegal to export to certain countries(IIRC North Korea, Iran etc...). To stay on the right side of American law Geoff and gang have to do it that way. Noah On 9/3/07, Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com> wrote: > This is probably a silly question, but why should anyone be denied > access on the basis of whatever a whois server who knows where might > or might not do? > > Best wishes and thanks for fixing the issues iru was having. > > uriel > > On 9/2/07, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > > If you think you're being denied access incorrectly, please include > > your IP address(es) in your mail to us. The mostly likely cause is > > that we can't reach a whois server. > > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-03 2:34 ` Noah Evans @ 2007-09-03 3:04 ` Uriel 2007-09-03 13:12 ` erik quanstrom 2007-09-03 11:19 ` Charles Forsyth 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Uriel @ 2007-09-03 3:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I'm sorry, but that makes no sense at almost every level: 1) why would whois info matter to determine where a client is? There are databases of ip country locations which would make much more sense, depending on notoriously unreliable whois servers is silly both from a security point of view and from a reliability point of view. 2) are you saying that http://groups.google.com/group/plan9changes, kernel.org or lkml are illegal? (or prety much any site that hosts linux ISOs) 3) this is hardly surprising given how totally unenforceable any such laws might be, anyone can import /net from tip9ug, or use a random http proxy and make the whole thing pointless (other than keeping out people like iru). I might be stupid, but this still makes no sense to me, and I would like to know why nobody else seems to have any such problems. Best wishes uriel P.S.: Note the following notice in kernel.org: Due to U.S. Exports Regulations, all cryptographic software on this site is subject to the following legal notice: This site includes publicly available encryption source code which, together with object code resulting from the compiling of publicly available source code, may be exported from the United States under License Exception "TSU" pursuant to 15 C.F.R. Section 740.13(e). This legal notice applies to cryptographic software only. Please see the Bureau of Industry and Security for more information about current U.S. regulations. On 9/3/07, Noah Evans <noah.evans@gmail.com> wrote: > Uriel, > > As long as Plan 9 is hosted in the US and contains certain software > it's illegal to export to certain countries(IIRC North Korea, Iran > etc...). To stay on the right side of American law Geoff and gang have > to do it that way. > > Noah > > On 9/3/07, Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is probably a silly question, but why should anyone be denied > > access on the basis of whatever a whois server who knows where might > > or might not do? > > > > Best wishes and thanks for fixing the issues iru was having. > > > > uriel > > > > On 9/2/07, geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > > > If you think you're being denied access incorrectly, please include > > > your IP address(es) in your mail to us. The mostly likely cause is > > > that we can't reach a whois server. > > > > > > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-03 3:04 ` Uriel @ 2007-09-03 13:12 ` erik quanstrom 2007-09-03 17:44 ` balaji 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-09-03 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > 1) why would whois info matter to determine where a client is? There > are databases of ip country locations which would make much more > sense, depending on notoriously unreliable whois servers is silly both > from a security point of view and from a reliability point of view. there are? where are these available? > 3) this is hardly surprising given how totally unenforceable any such > laws might be, anyone can import /net from tip9ug, or use a random > http proxy and make the whole thing pointless (other than keeping out > people like iru). you are missing the point. i don't know any of the specifics and may be speaking out of school, but i have implemented similar restrictions. when i did, the point was keeping the legal department satisfied. there job was protecting the company's interests. and since i am not a lawyer, i'm not much in a posittion to challenge their legal judgement. - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-03 13:12 ` erik quanstrom @ 2007-09-03 17:44 ` balaji 2007-09-03 19:44 ` erik quanstrom 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: balaji @ 2007-09-03 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > there are? where are these available? ftp://ftp.apnic.net/pub/stats/arin/delegated-arin-latest ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-03 17:44 ` balaji @ 2007-09-03 19:44 ` erik quanstrom 2007-09-03 19:55 ` balaji 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-09-03 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> there are? where are these available? > > ftp://ftp.apnic.net/pub/stats/arin/delegated-arin-latest arin only covers part of the world. i don't see any entries for bazil in this file. all the rirs however are required to implement whois. - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-03 19:44 ` erik quanstrom @ 2007-09-03 19:55 ` balaji 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: balaji @ 2007-09-03 19:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 9/3/07, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote: > >> there are? where are these available? > > > > ftp://ftp.apnic.net/pub/stats/arin/delegated-arin-latest > > arin only covers part of the world. i don't see any > entries for bazil in this file. all the rirs however are > required to implement whois. > ftp://ftp.apnic.net/pub/stats/ afrinic apnic arin iana lacnic ripe-ncc lacnic covers latin america. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-03 2:34 ` Noah Evans 2007-09-03 3:04 ` Uriel @ 2007-09-03 11:19 ` Charles Forsyth 2007-09-03 12:41 ` Iruata Souza 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2007-09-03 11:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans the export regulations might indeed be silly or unenforceable, or the interpretation of them overly pessimistic, but it would be an unwise person who would ever willingly risk any contact whatsoever with that curious breed known as US federal prosecutors. of course, that's separate from the suggestion of using better databases etc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-03 11:19 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2007-09-03 12:41 ` Iruata Souza 2007-09-03 13:48 ` Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Iruata Souza @ 2007-09-03 12:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 9/3/07, Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net> wrote: > the export regulations might indeed be silly or unenforceable, or the interpretation > of them overly pessimistic, but it would be an unwise person who would > ever willingly risk any contact whatsoever with that curious breed known as US federal prosecutors. > > of course, that's separate from the suggestion of using better databases etc. > as long as we all know about sources' importance, i think the use of better sources for determining request locations is of principal matter since, for example, the actual scheme is so non-optimal that it was denying access to me (and who knows who else) while allowing for other people on the same country. iru ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sources access from brazil 2007-09-03 12:41 ` Iruata Souza @ 2007-09-03 13:48 ` Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2007-09-03 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> of course, that's separate from the suggestion of using better databases etc. >> > > as long as we all know about sources' importance, i think the use of > better sources for determining request locations is of principal > matter since, for example, the actual scheme is so non-optimal that it > was denying access to me (and who knows who else) while allowing for > other people on the same country. that's true (which is why i said the databases etc was another matter). on the other hand, even there, the whois stuff seemed to be working for many years, so perhaps it's just a matter of accommodating the cases that have recently gone wrong. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [9fans] Re: sources access from brazil 2007-09-01 17:09 [9fans] sources access from brazil Iruata Souza 2007-09-01 21:41 ` geoff @ 2007-12-02 23:15 ` Iruata Souza 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Iruata Souza @ 2007-12-02 23:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Sep 1, 2007 3:09 PM, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Trying to access sources from Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brazil fails with > 'restricted remote address'. Last time I checked, people from Belo > Horizonte - MG - Brazil could connect. > > any hints? > > iru > same issue again, from rio de janeiro/brazil. maybe something related to when the site goes down? iru ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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