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From: Yotam Barnoy <yotambarnoy@gmail.com>
To: Sylvain Le Gall <sylvain@le-gall.net>
Cc: Fabrice Le Fessant <Fabrice.Le_fessant@inria.fr>,
	Ocaml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:23:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAN6ygOk6ovY5W+mQgu6vQXuSBACWjRxfxz88FuZo+weo+CCUag@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOCAUGMwGz95jUS3ypWSo+Rnt5kq9AEmT-wPEXp3A8EuQX4Phw@mail.gmail.com>

> Don't miss my point. I think OCamlPro is achieving a technical
> challenge (although I wish OCamlPro will improve parallelism in OCaml
> rather than something else). I just wish you make it with a good
> leadership: making people talk together and collaborating. It will
> probably just cost you a few emails to do it and it is not like you
> are not aware of other people existing in the OCaml community.
>

I've been 'lurking' throughout this discussion (and I'm sure many
others have as well), but I want to second this point. I use ocaml in
an academic setting, but my group is migrating away from it mostly
because haskell offers parallelism. The future of ocaml rests on it
having a parallel runtime and a parallel GC. I know these things
aren't easy to do, but nothing else will stem the migration to F# and
haskell IMO.  This is exactly the kind of problem that's very hard for
OSS devs to address. Haskell has only been able to make the huge
strides it has in terms of parallelism and performance because of the
constant work of Simon Peyton Jones and Simon Marlow with Microsoft's
generous backing. That's why I'm surprised that OcamlPro and OcamlLabs
aren't putting virtually every engineer/researcher they have on
solving this problem. I suppose the reason for this is that their
corporate backers are happy with an Async-like, process-based
execution model. However, this is short sighted IMO, as without a
parallel runtime, the language simply cannot compete, which is a
shame, because I think that WITH a parallel runtime, ocaml would beat
just about every other high level language in terms of speed.

Yotam Barnoy

      reply	other threads:[~2013-07-25 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-22 21:21 [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-22 22:32 ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-23  6:49   ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-23  8:46     ` Keyan
2013-07-23  8:57       ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23  9:45         ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-07-23 13:31         ` Marek Kubica
2013-07-24  9:09           ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2013-07-23  9:34   ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23 10:00     ` Jesper Louis Andersen
2013-07-22 23:44 ` oliver
2013-07-23  0:03   ` Nicolas Braud-Santoni
2013-07-23  1:51 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-24  9:27   ` [Caml-list] " Andreas Hauptmann
2013-07-23  9:07 ` [Caml-list] " Adrien Nader
2013-07-23 10:01   ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23 10:22   ` oliver
2013-07-24  1:55   ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-24  7:03     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-07-24  8:42       ` Jun Furuse
2013-07-24 10:30         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 14:46           ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 12:36       ` AW: [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-24 14:44         ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 15:58           ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:25             ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 16:36               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-24 16:41                 ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-25 15:21                   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 16:39               ` AW: [Caml-list] " Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:58                 ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 17:06                   ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 17:33                   ` Török Edwin
2013-07-24 18:49                     ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-25 15:16               ` [Caml-list] Re: AW: " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 15:29                 ` Leo White
2013-07-25 15:33                   ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 16:39             ` [Caml-list] " Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-24 17:05               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-24 17:56                 ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-24 18:23                   ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 20:43                     ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25  5:32                       ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-25  9:52                         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 21:01                           ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-25  1:32                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-25 15:10                   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 15:23                     ` Christopher Zimmermann
2013-07-25 20:03                       ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-26  1:14                         ` ocamlbuild (was Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down) Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  2:43                           ` Peter Groves
2013-07-26  5:02                           ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-26  5:26                             ` [Caml-list] Re: ocamlbuild Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  7:25                               ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-26  8:07                                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  9:24                                   ` r.3
2013-07-26 10:48                                 ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-26 11:13                                   ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-26 17:29                                     ` Ashish Agarwal
2013-07-26  5:29                             ` ocamlbuild (was Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down) Jeff Meister
2013-07-26  6:14                               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-26 13:48                                 ` Dario Teixeira
2013-07-25 20:18                 ` [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-24 18:04               ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:18           ` AW: " Matej Kosik
2013-07-24 16:17             ` David Sheets
2013-07-24 16:56               ` Matej Kosik
2013-07-24 17:03                 ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-25 15:01                   ` [Caml-list] Re: AW: " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 22:05           ` AW: [Caml-list] " Siraaj Khandkar
2013-07-24 22:06           ` Virgile Prevosto
2013-07-24 22:47             ` Amir Chaudhry
2013-07-24 23:03             ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-25  5:22               ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-23  9:28 ` [Caml-list] Re: [Godi-list] " Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-23 15:32   ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 15:37     ` David Sheets
2013-07-23 15:44     ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-23 16:19       ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 16:26         ` Ashish Agarwal
2013-07-23 16:32         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-23 16:55       ` Virgile Prevosto
2013-07-28 22:29       ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-23 19:38     ` Yaron Minsky
2013-07-23 19:49       ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 20:02         ` Yaron Minsky
2013-07-23 22:35 ` [Caml-list] " Mike Lin
2013-07-25 16:10 ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 17:42   ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 18:52     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 18:28   ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-07-25 19:00     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 19:23       ` Yotam Barnoy [this message]

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