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From: Thomas Gazagnaire <thomas@ocamlpro.com>
To: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr, godi-list@ocaml-programming.de
Subject: [Caml-list] Re: [Godi-list] GODI is shutting down
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:28:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D7FA3AFE-4C24-4E83-9096-95A5DF525820@ocamlpro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1e141e2803d9dec6a8231dd4f16dd173.squirrel@gps.dynxs.de>

> There is also another point that was driving me mad in the past weeks,
> namely missing respect from the OPAM guys. Given the fact that OPAM is
> only a thin layer around ocamlfind (and guess who wrote it), and given the
> fact that GODI was pioneering in many fields, I was expecting nicer
> wordings, and less dumb campaigning ("we have 400 packages, and you only
> 170"). OPAM is only harvesting what I seeded many years ago.

I am sorry you feel that way, but I have to correct some errors. First, you seem to not make the difference between exposing a fact: "OPAM packaging workflow is easier than GODI's, hence the higher number of packages" and being disrespectful: (insert here any of the sentence related to OPAM in your recent emails).

Second, OPAM is *not* a thin layer around ocamlfind: it is a (not-so-thin) layer around the dose3 library (used by the Debian tools to manage complex dependencies), around heterogeneous metadata backends (HTTP, rsync, Git, hg, darcs) and compiler environment variables (to support multiple switch). OPAM is build-system agnostic (and could be used to build C or C++ projects for instance) and its initial goal was to integrate nicely with the existing ecosystem, namely ocamlbuild, ocamlfind and oasis (and omake and ocp-build). So yes, people are using OPAM and ocamlfind together, and this is a very good thing -- and they can use any other system if they like it.

We have been focusing on the final user experience, based on our the constant feedback from the community and industrial users, and lot of people seem to appreciate the effort. I am very sorry you don't.
 
Best,
Thomas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-23  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-22 21:21 [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-22 22:32 ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-23  6:49   ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-23  8:46     ` Keyan
2013-07-23  8:57       ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23  9:45         ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-07-23 13:31         ` Marek Kubica
2013-07-24  9:09           ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2013-07-23  9:34   ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23 10:00     ` Jesper Louis Andersen
2013-07-22 23:44 ` oliver
2013-07-23  0:03   ` Nicolas Braud-Santoni
2013-07-23  1:51 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-24  9:27   ` [Caml-list] " Andreas Hauptmann
2013-07-23  9:07 ` [Caml-list] " Adrien Nader
2013-07-23 10:01   ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23 10:22   ` oliver
2013-07-24  1:55   ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-24  7:03     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-07-24  8:42       ` Jun Furuse
2013-07-24 10:30         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 14:46           ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 12:36       ` AW: [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-24 14:44         ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 15:58           ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:25             ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 16:36               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-24 16:41                 ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-25 15:21                   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 16:39               ` AW: [Caml-list] " Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:58                 ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 17:06                   ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 17:33                   ` Török Edwin
2013-07-24 18:49                     ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-25 15:16               ` [Caml-list] Re: AW: " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 15:29                 ` Leo White
2013-07-25 15:33                   ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 16:39             ` [Caml-list] " Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-24 17:05               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-24 17:56                 ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-24 18:23                   ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 20:43                     ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25  5:32                       ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-25  9:52                         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 21:01                           ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-25  1:32                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-25 15:10                   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 15:23                     ` Christopher Zimmermann
2013-07-25 20:03                       ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-26  1:14                         ` ocamlbuild (was Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down) Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  2:43                           ` Peter Groves
2013-07-26  5:02                           ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-26  5:26                             ` [Caml-list] Re: ocamlbuild Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  7:25                               ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-26  8:07                                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  9:24                                   ` r.3
2013-07-26 10:48                                 ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-26 11:13                                   ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-26 17:29                                     ` Ashish Agarwal
2013-07-26  5:29                             ` ocamlbuild (was Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down) Jeff Meister
2013-07-26  6:14                               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-26 13:48                                 ` Dario Teixeira
2013-07-25 20:18                 ` [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-24 18:04               ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:18           ` AW: " Matej Kosik
2013-07-24 16:17             ` David Sheets
2013-07-24 16:56               ` Matej Kosik
2013-07-24 17:03                 ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-25 15:01                   ` [Caml-list] Re: AW: " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 22:05           ` AW: [Caml-list] " Siraaj Khandkar
2013-07-24 22:06           ` Virgile Prevosto
2013-07-24 22:47             ` Amir Chaudhry
2013-07-24 23:03             ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-25  5:22               ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-23  9:28 ` Thomas Gazagnaire [this message]
2013-07-23 15:32   ` [Caml-list] Re: [Godi-list] " Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 15:37     ` David Sheets
2013-07-23 15:44     ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-23 16:19       ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 16:26         ` Ashish Agarwal
2013-07-23 16:32         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-23 16:55       ` Virgile Prevosto
2013-07-28 22:29       ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-23 19:38     ` Yaron Minsky
2013-07-23 19:49       ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 20:02         ` Yaron Minsky
2013-07-23 22:35 ` [Caml-list] " Mike Lin
2013-07-25 16:10 ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 17:42   ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 18:52     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 18:28   ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-07-25 19:00     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 19:23       ` Yotam Barnoy

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