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From: Jeff Meister <nanaki@gmail.com>
To: Gabriel Scherer <gabriel.scherer@gmail.com>
Cc: Caml List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: ocamlbuild (was Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:29:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHaHOqRRGAQ6siuUkiVcrzv-2df39WwiB9jwRUPBUnLqZD63Sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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I have a codebase that currently depends on an old version of OMake, and I
would rather use ocamlbuild instead. As an end user, I see two key
advantages: ocamlbuild is part of INRIA's official OCaml distribution,
which implies a certain level of commitment to continued support, and
ocamlbuild knows all about how to build OCaml projects (even using
ocamlfind), so for simple applications it "just works".

However, I was reluctant to look into ocamlbuild when it first appeared,
since the only documentation was a set of presentation slides. It seemed
powerful, but like you, I am not really interested in build systems. I'm
more encouraged now that a section has appeared in the OCaml manual. Aside
from that, are there any other resources I should look into? I'm wondering
if there are some documents, or even mailing list threads, that would help
me learn how to customize the building of a complex codebase like you just
did in the "which ocaml build system" thread? I'm hoping there is a way to
acquire this knowledge that doesn't involve trial and error with the build
system. :)


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Gabriel Scherer <gabriel.scherer@gmail.com
> wrote:

> I am not very interested in build systems. I use one (ocamlbuild) that
> I find decent (has several known areas of improvement, but bear with
> me), and instead of rewriting a new one from scratch¹ I decided that
> maybe the existing one I could be improved to fix its shortcomings.
> You know, by writing bug reports, and more importantly proposing
> patches (to the code or the documentation), instead of just
> complaining on the mailing-list. I'm not aware, so far, of a major
> design problem that can't be incrementally fixed, and whose resolution
> is worth the pain of switching to a completely new system.
>
> ¹: or juggling with three different unannounced build systems; I think
> you forgot Jenga and the various adaptations of redo for OCaml; nobody
> added OCaml rules to Shake as far as I know, but certainly that will
> happen in the future.
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Francois Berenger <berenger@riken.jp>
> wrote:
> > On 07/26/2013 05:03 AM, Adrien Nader wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I believe this entry on the bugtracker is worth mentionning:
> >>    "ocamlbuild should expose common interface as a library"
> >>    http://caml.inria.fr/mantis/view.php?id=5869
> >>
> >> More generally, ocamlbuild's development was mostly stalled but has
> >> restarted recently. This should allow fixing many issues and
> >> shortcomings.
> >
> >
> > There is not only ocamlbuild!
> >
> > I would love to see projects such as obuild:
> >
> > https://github.com/vincenthz/obuild
> >
> > come out of the woods (like an official release announce if it is
> > ready for mass consumption) and become the de facto gold standard.
> >
> > PS: even OCamlPro have written a tool to replace ocamlbuild
> >     (ocp-build)...
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners
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>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-26  5:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-22 21:21 [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-22 22:32 ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-23  6:49   ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-23  8:46     ` Keyan
2013-07-23  8:57       ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23  9:45         ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-07-23 13:31         ` Marek Kubica
2013-07-24  9:09           ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2013-07-23  9:34   ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23 10:00     ` Jesper Louis Andersen
2013-07-22 23:44 ` oliver
2013-07-23  0:03   ` Nicolas Braud-Santoni
2013-07-23  1:51 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-24  9:27   ` [Caml-list] " Andreas Hauptmann
2013-07-23  9:07 ` [Caml-list] " Adrien Nader
2013-07-23 10:01   ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23 10:22   ` oliver
2013-07-24  1:55   ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-24  7:03     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-07-24  8:42       ` Jun Furuse
2013-07-24 10:30         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 14:46           ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 12:36       ` AW: [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-24 14:44         ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 15:58           ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:25             ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 16:36               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-24 16:41                 ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-25 15:21                   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 16:39               ` AW: [Caml-list] " Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:58                 ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 17:06                   ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 17:33                   ` Török Edwin
2013-07-24 18:49                     ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-25 15:16               ` [Caml-list] Re: AW: " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 15:29                 ` Leo White
2013-07-25 15:33                   ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 16:39             ` [Caml-list] " Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-24 17:05               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-24 17:56                 ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-24 18:23                   ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 20:43                     ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25  5:32                       ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-25  9:52                         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 21:01                           ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-25  1:32                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-25 15:10                   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 15:23                     ` Christopher Zimmermann
2013-07-25 20:03                       ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-26  1:14                         ` ocamlbuild (was Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down) Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  2:43                           ` Peter Groves
2013-07-26  5:02                           ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-26  5:26                             ` [Caml-list] Re: ocamlbuild Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  7:25                               ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-26  8:07                                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  9:24                                   ` r.3
2013-07-26 10:48                                 ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-26 11:13                                   ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-26 17:29                                     ` Ashish Agarwal
2013-07-26  5:29                             ` Jeff Meister [this message]
2013-07-26  6:14                               ` ocamlbuild (was Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down) Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-26 13:48                                 ` Dario Teixeira
2013-07-25 20:18                 ` [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-24 18:04               ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:18           ` AW: " Matej Kosik
2013-07-24 16:17             ` David Sheets
2013-07-24 16:56               ` Matej Kosik
2013-07-24 17:03                 ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-25 15:01                   ` [Caml-list] Re: AW: " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 22:05           ` AW: [Caml-list] " Siraaj Khandkar
2013-07-24 22:06           ` Virgile Prevosto
2013-07-24 22:47             ` Amir Chaudhry
2013-07-24 23:03             ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-25  5:22               ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-23  9:28 ` [Caml-list] Re: [Godi-list] " Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-23 15:32   ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 15:37     ` David Sheets
2013-07-23 15:44     ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-23 16:19       ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 16:26         ` Ashish Agarwal
2013-07-23 16:32         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-23 16:55       ` Virgile Prevosto
2013-07-28 22:29       ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-23 19:38     ` Yaron Minsky
2013-07-23 19:49       ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 20:02         ` Yaron Minsky
2013-07-23 22:35 ` [Caml-list] " Mike Lin
2013-07-25 16:10 ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 17:42   ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 18:52     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 18:28   ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-07-25 19:00     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 19:23       ` Yotam Barnoy

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