Newsgroup colours?!?

Newsgroup colours?!?

[Adam Sjøgren]

What the what the what?! Suddenly all the newsgroups in my *Group*
buffer has turned some kind of greenish blue!

What kind of newfangled change is this?


  :-),

   Adam, having just "git pull && make"'d.

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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Emanuel Berg]

Adam Sjøgren wrote:

> What the what the what?! Suddenly all the
> newsgroups in my *Group* buffer has turned some
> kind of greenish blue!

You mean like this?

    http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/figures/gnus/gnus-group.png

No, because that was intentional. I change it
now and then, like girls do their hair. Here is
the current dye:

    (modify-face 'gnus-group-mail-1           "cyan"     nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-mail-1-empty     "cyan"     nil nil nil)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-mail-2           "cyan"     nil nil nil)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-mail-2-empty     "cyan"     nil nil nil)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-mail-3           "yellow"   nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-mail-3-empty     "white"    nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-mail-low         "black"    nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-mail-low-empty   "black"    nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-1           "black"    nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-1-empty     "cyan"     nil nil nil)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-2           "black"    nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-2-empty     "cyan"     nil nil nil)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-3           "green"    nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-3-empty     "blue"     nil nil nil)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-4           "blue"     nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-4-empty     "blue"     nil nil nil)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-5           "green"    nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-5-empty     "green"    nil nil nil)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-6           "blue"     nil nil t)
    (modify-face 'gnus-group-news-6-empty     "blue"     nil nil nil)

But it is also a matter of what those colors
are defined to, i.e. below Emacs...

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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Emanuel writes:

> No, because that was intentional. I change it
> now and then, like girls do their hair. Here is
> the current dye:

*plonk*


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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

> What the what the what?! Suddenly all the newsgroups in my *Group*
> buffer has turned some kind of greenish blue!
>
> What kind of newfangled change is this?
>
>
>   :-),
>
>    Adam, having just "git pull && make"'d.

I also had an "AAUGGGHH!!" moment a few days ago, but have since
retreated to grudging acceptance. This was done in 16784a5f6.

Probably the idea should have been floated here first, but no great harm
done. At the very least, it's made me aware of the relevant faces.

E

Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Emanuel Berg]

Adam Sjøgren wrote:

>> No, because that was intentional. I change
>> it now and then, like girls do their hair.
>> Here is the current dye:
>
> *plonk*

Second time! Why don't you do it a thrid time
later? I'm sure there is a term in the JARGON
file for a hat-trick plonkie?

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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> I also had an "AAUGGGHH!!" moment a few days ago, but have since
> retreated to grudging acceptance. This was done in 16784a5f6.
>
> Probably the idea should have been floated here first, but no great harm
> done. At the very least, it's made me aware of the relevant faces.

I think the colours should be reverted back to what they were before the
change.  Normal text should be white on black (if you have a dark
background), and colours should be used to emphasise or de-emphasise
certain text.  Following that principle, normal Gnus groups should be
white, not ... er...  what are they now?  Teal?

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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> I also had an "AAUGGGHH!!" moment a few days ago, but have since
> retreated to grudging acceptance. This was done in 16784a5f6.

Hm:

larsi@corrigan:~/src/emacs/trunk$ git show 16784a5f6
fatal: ambiguous argument '16784a5f6': unknown revision or path not in the working tree.
Use '--' to separate paths from revisions, like this:
'git <command> [<revision>...] -- [<file>...]'


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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

On 04/11/18 20:59 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> I also had an "AAUGGGHH!!" moment a few days ago, but have since
>> retreated to grudging acceptance. This was done in 16784a5f6.
>
> Hm:
>
> larsi@corrigan:~/src/emacs/trunk$ git show 16784a5f6
> fatal: ambiguous argument '16784a5f6': unknown revision or path not in the working tree.
> Use '--' to separate paths from revisions, like this:
> 'git <command> [<revision>...] -- [<file>...]'

Guess I hit C-t in there somewhere: it should be 16748a5f6.

And looks like it's "turquoise", not "teal" :)

>
>
> -- 
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> Guess I hit C-t in there somewhere: it should be 16748a5f6.

Thanks.  :-)

> And looks like it's "turquoise", not "teal" :)

Should we take a vote on reverting or not?

Sam, see <871sfl3712.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> for my reasoning for why those
faces had no colour specification. 

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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> Guess I hit C-t in there somewhere: it should be 16748a5f6.
>
> Thanks.  :-)
>
>> And looks like it's "turquoise", not "teal" :)
>
> Should we take a vote on reverting or not?
>
> Sam, see <871sfl3712.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> for my reasoning for why those
> faces had no colour specification. 

I guess I'm neutral. My only objection is based on aesthetics, not
principle, though despite finding the turquoise pretty ugly, apparently
it hasn't been ugly enough to actually make me change the default!

Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Sam Steingold]

> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv@tahf.bet> [2018-04-11 22:17:54 +0200]:
>
> Sam, see <871sfl3712.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> for my reasoning for why those
> faces had no colour specification. 

Couldn’t fetch article <871sfl3712.fsf@mouse.gnus.org>

Any chance you could give a better pointer?

Thanks.

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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Couldn’t fetch article <871sfl3712.fsf@mouse.gnus.org>
>
> Any chance you could give a better pointer?

I'll just include the entire thing.  :-)

------

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> I also had an "AAUGGGHH!!" moment a few days ago, but have since
> retreated to grudging acceptance. This was done in 16784a5f6.
>
> Probably the idea should have been floated here first, but no great harm
> done. At the very least, it's made me aware of the relevant faces.

I think the colours should be reverted back to what they were before the
change.  Normal text should be white on black (if you have a dark
background), and colours should be used to emphasise or de-emphasise
certain text.  Following that principle, normal Gnus groups should be
white, not ... er...  what are they now?  Teal?

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(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Sam Steingold]

> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv@tahf.bet> [2018-04-11 23:57:41 +0200]:
>
> I'll just include the entire thing.  :-)

Thanks.

> I think the colours should be reverted back to what they were before
> the change.  Normal text should be white on black (if you have a dark
> background), and colours should be used to emphasise or de-emphasise
> certain text.  Following that principle, normal Gnus groups should be
> white, not ... er...  what are they now?  Teal?

I wanted the different levels to be visually different.
Level 6 is the baseline (you don't care about them)
and the rest are more and more important -
and that is _emphasized_ by the faces.
I honestly did not think the change could possibly be controversial.

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to defend my change.

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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I wanted the different levels to be visually different.
> Level 6 is the baseline (you don't care about them)
> and the rest are more and more important -
> and that is _emphasized_ by the faces.
> I honestly did not think the change could possibly be controversial.

The normal groups shouldn't be emphasised, but be displayed in the
normal, default, most readable colour the user has chosen, I think.
That's why there weren't any colour specs on those, but various
decorations for the lower-scored and higher-scored groups, if I recall
correctly.

So level 6 isn't the baseline, they're the ones you don't care about and
should get a mellow colour.  For instance, Turquoise6.  :-)

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Re: Newsgroup colours?!?

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Aaaa!  So bright!

I've now reverted the colours in Emacs 27.1.

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