* Re: Offline and IMAP [not found] <glmlnms40r8.fsf@caffeine.mitre.org> @ 1998-10-08 13:42 ` Mark Moll 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Mark Moll @ 1998-10-08 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 618 bytes --] Mark Moll <mmoll@cs.cmu.edu> writes: > Here in the CS dept at CMU there's a program called rdeliver which > delivers a message to a folder on a (Cyrus) IMAP server. I turns out there are only two perl scripts needed for this. Attached you'll find rdeliver.tgz, which contains: 0 rdeliver/ 0 rdeliver/bin/ 4956 rdeliver/bin/rdeliver 0 rdeliver/etc/ 3806 rdeliver/etc/rdeliverd 0 rdeliver/man/ 0 rdeliver/man/man1/ 1876 rdeliver/man/man1/rdeliver.1 I know nothing about perl, so these scripts might not be all that useful. OTOH, it might not be that hard to tailor it for your IMAP server... -- Mark [-- Attachment #2: rdeliver.tgz --] [-- Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream, Size: 4394 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Lars: You're hardest challenge yet @ 1998-09-29 3:23 Wes Hardaker 1998-09-29 4:18 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Wes Hardaker @ 1998-09-29 3:23 UTC (permalink / raw) You know.... If I didn't want to fuss with all this nnimap and nnpop and nntp and ... I might want to write a nngnus backend. That way, I could leave a running gnus, at work say, and have a remote gnus (ie, master/slave doesn't work) communicate with it to transfer newsrc info and articles... he he he... Lars? todo list? (evil smirk) -- "Ninjas aren't dangerous. They're more afraid of you than you are of them." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet 1998-09-29 3:23 Lars: You're hardest challenge yet Wes Hardaker @ 1998-09-29 4:18 ` Jason L Tibbitts III [not found] ` <6f4str9vxm.fsf@dna.lth.se> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Jason L Tibbitts III @ 1998-09-29 4:18 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "WH" == Wes Hardaker <wjhardaker@ucdavis.edu> writes: WH> I might want to write a nngnus backend. That way, I could leave a WH> running gnus, at work say, and have a remote gnus (ie, master/slave WH> doesn't work) communicate with it to transfer newsrc info and WH> articles... Oh, man. I have to bounce around between machines often and currently resort to remote display over a 28.8Kbps line so that I can get the few extra goodies that running in X gives. If I could run emacs locally but still access my 300MB of mail in NNML directories on the file server I'd be eternally grateful. (I actually tried it over NFS once. I don't recommend this for those who find watching grass grow anything less than mildly exciting.) - J< ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet [not found] ` <6f4str9vxm.fsf@dna.lth.se> @ 1998-09-29 21:00 ` Wes Hardaker 1998-10-01 19:36 ` Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) Mikael MC Cardell 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Wes Hardaker @ 1998-09-29 21:00 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:15:46 GMT, Kurt Swanson <ksw@dna.lth.se> said: Kurt> What do you mean "master/slave doesn't work"? It works Kurt> perfectly fine for me. I use it rarely though, preferring a Kurt> remote display via X: Nah... Too slow. Even over my 128k isdn line, I'd prefer to have a locally running copy. Too spoiled I guess... And using a remote FS is too slow... Plus, I want something like a caching feature like the agent provides... Actually, I'm probably going to switch to imap soon, but I don't like th server's I've played with so far... -- "Ninjas aren't dangerous. They're more afraid of you than you are of them." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) 1998-09-29 21:00 ` Wes Hardaker @ 1998-10-01 19:36 ` Mikael MC Cardell 1998-10-01 22:36 ` Wes Hardaker 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Mikael MC Cardell @ 1998-10-01 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw) wjhardaker@ucdavis.edu (Wes Hardaker) writes: > Nah... Too slow. Even over my 128k isdn line, I'd prefer to have a > locally running copy. Too spoiled I guess... > > And using a remote FS is too slow... Plus, I want something like a > caching feature like the agent provides... Same thing here. In fact, I don't even like the overhead of PPP, so I tend to just use Kermit from my home SPARC and browse through what I want to respond to offline. Then I save a bunch of messages as BABYL files and read it all in an nndoc group in my local Gnus. I have severly twisted message.el so it delivers outgoing mail to a special file which I later upload and run. It's a shell script, really, that delivers all my replies, which are buried inside it. > Actually, I'm probably going to switch to imap soon, but I don't like > th server's I've played with so far... Neither do I. When I started hacking some on nnimap, I constantly ran my head into the UofW IMAP server. Gaaah! I had a look at the Cyrus server ages ago, but people tell me it's better now. Perhaps I'll have another look. I've had plans of writing my own IMAP server a long time now. I've been thinking about things such as a IMAP frontend for INN or something. Anyone want to help out? -- RFC 822: MC <mc@hack.org> RFC 1738/2396: <URL:http://www.hack.org/> GSM: +46 707 59 14 24 ICBM: ~58°23'53'' N, 15°34'50'' E ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) 1998-10-01 19:36 ` Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) Mikael MC Cardell @ 1998-10-01 22:36 ` Wes Hardaker 1998-10-01 22:43 ` C. R. Oldham ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Wes Hardaker @ 1998-10-01 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> On 01 Oct 1998 21:36:36 +0200, Mikael MC Cardell <mc@hack.org> said: >> Actually, I'm probably going to switch to imap soon, but I don't like >> th server's I've played with so far... Mikael> Neither do I. When I started hacking some on nnimap, I Mikael> constantly ran my head into the UofW IMAP server. Gaaah! I had Mikael> a look at the Cyrus server ages ago, but people tell me it's Mikael> better now. Perhaps I'll have another look. The biggest problem is configuration. My ideal case would be a imap server that allows me to specify the location in which I want to place folders. The UofW software opens every file in your home directory looking for folders? That's the impression I got by trying to run it once and finally hitting C-g 10 minutes later. Running it against a fake user on my linux box with nothing in it's home directory is much better... >From my glances at the Cyrus software, it didn't have this option either (and since it was designed for use on systems where the users didn't have log-in shells, I'm assume it does something equally as stupid). Actually, I want procmail to deliver mail into my imap folders, but I think this is a pipe-dream at this point... sigh... Mikael> I've had plans of writing my own IMAP server a long time Mikael> now. I've been thinking about things such as a IMAP frontend Mikael> for INN or something. Anyone want to help out? I'd love to, but I'm swamped with more projects than I can even count... -- "Ninjas aren't dangerous. They're more afraid of you than you are of them." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) 1998-10-01 22:36 ` Wes Hardaker @ 1998-10-01 22:43 ` C. R. Oldham 1998-10-07 15:56 ` Offline and IMAP Jochen_Hayek 1998-10-02 15:29 ` Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) Justin Sheehy 1998-10-07 15:58 ` Jochen_Hayek 2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: C. R. Oldham @ 1998-10-01 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Mikael MC Cardell, ding Wes Hardaker wrote: > > Actually, I want procmail to deliver mail into my imap folders, but I > think this is a pipe-dream at this point... sigh... > I do this. There's a program called 'dmail' included with the UW imap-utils distribution that was designed to be called from procmail. It returns the appropriate error codes to procmail to indicate delivery failures, etc. Here's my recipe for the ding list: :0 # The ding list * ^TOding@gnus.org | /usr/local/bin/dmail +Mail/!inbox.ding # will go to !inbox.ding I think dmail does not allow delivery to nonexistent folders, though. You have to create the folder first. -- | Charles R. (C. R.) Oldham | NCA Commission on Schools | | cro@nca.asu.edu | Arizona St. Univ., PO Box 873011,| | V:602/965-8700 F:602/965-9423 | Tempe, AZ 85287-3011 _ | | "I like it!"--Citizen G'Kar | #include <disclaimer.h> X_>| ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Offline and IMAP 1998-10-01 22:43 ` C. R. Oldham @ 1998-10-07 15:56 ` Jochen_Hayek 1998-10-07 18:03 ` Mark Moll 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Jochen_Hayek @ 1998-10-07 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "CRO" == C R Oldham <cro@nca.asu.edu> writes: CRO> Wes Hardaker wrote: >> >> Actually, I want procmail to deliver mail into my imap folders, but I >> think this is a pipe-dream at this point... sigh... >> CRO> I do this. Lucky you. But not in all places you are free to install / use programs on the site, where your IMAP folders are. . ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Offline and IMAP 1998-10-07 15:56 ` Offline and IMAP Jochen_Hayek @ 1998-10-07 18:03 ` Mark Moll 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Mark Moll @ 1998-10-07 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 Jochen_Hayek@ACM.org wrote: > >>>>> "CRO" == C R Oldham <cro@nca.asu.edu> writes: > > CRO> Wes Hardaker wrote: > >> > >> Actually, I want procmail to deliver mail into my imap folders, but I > >> think this is a pipe-dream at this point... sigh... > >> > > CRO> I do this. > > Lucky you. > > But not in all places you are free to install / use programs > on the site, where your IMAP folders are. You could have your mail sent/forwarded to a non-IMAP server, where each message upon arrival is piped through procmail. Procmail will then use something like dmail to deliver to an IMAP folder. Here in the CS dept at CMU there's a program called rdeliver which delivers a message to a folder on a (Cyrus) IMAP server. This is not part of the Cyrus distribution, but I guess this does the same thing as dmail. -- Mark Moll ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) 1998-10-01 22:36 ` Wes Hardaker 1998-10-01 22:43 ` C. R. Oldham @ 1998-10-02 15:29 ` Justin Sheehy 1998-10-07 15:57 ` Offline and IMAP Jochen_Hayek 1998-10-07 15:58 ` Jochen_Hayek 2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Justin Sheehy @ 1998-10-02 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw) Wes Hardaker <wjhardaker@ucdavis.edu> writes: > The UofW software opens every file in your home directory looking > for folders? Yep. Serious bogusness. > From my glances at the Cyrus software, it didn't have this option > either (and since it was designed for use on systems where the users > didn't have log-in shells, I'm assume it does something equally as > stupid). Well, not exactly. The concept in Cyrus is that the IMAP store is not meant to be seen by anyone but the IMAP server. It doesn't matter if you have a shell on the machine or not. The only useful way to access IMAP data is through the server. It stores all data in its own space, not touching or caring about your home directory. As it should be. -- Justin Sheehy In a cloud bones of steel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Offline and IMAP 1998-10-02 15:29 ` Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) Justin Sheehy @ 1998-10-07 15:57 ` Jochen_Hayek 1998-10-07 18:47 ` Wes Hardaker 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Jochen_Hayek @ 1998-10-07 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "JS" == Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: JS> Wes Hardaker <wjhardaker@ucdavis.edu> writes: >> The UofW software opens every file in your home directory looking >> for folders? JS> Yep. Serious bogusness. As I stated in another follow up in this thread, it's not *in* but *under* your home directory. And you decide where this is, e.g. in $HOME/iMail ... Not that the UWASH would remember that later, but it's just dealing with any home directory relative file names. And that's not a problem, if you re-think that issue, right? . ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Offline and IMAP 1998-10-07 15:57 ` Offline and IMAP Jochen_Hayek @ 1998-10-07 18:47 ` Wes Hardaker 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Wes Hardaker @ 1998-10-07 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:57:50 GMT, Jochen_Hayek@ACM.org said: >>>>> "JS" == Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: >>> The UofW software opens every file in your home directory looking >>> for folders? JS> Yep. Serious bogusness. JH> As I stated in another follow up in this thread, it's not *in* but JH> *under* your home directory. Which is *in* by default. -- "Ninjas aren't dangerous. They're more afraid of you than you are of them." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Offline and IMAP 1998-10-01 22:36 ` Wes Hardaker 1998-10-01 22:43 ` C. R. Oldham 1998-10-02 15:29 ` Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) Justin Sheehy @ 1998-10-07 15:58 ` Jochen_Hayek 1998-10-07 18:46 ` Wes Hardaker 2 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Jochen_Hayek @ 1998-10-07 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "WH" == Wes Hardaker <wjhardaker@ucdavis.edu> writes: >>>>> On 01 Oct 1998 21:36:36 +0200, Mikael MC Cardell <mc@hack.org> said: WH> My ideal case would be a imap server that allows me to specify WH> the location in which I want to place folders. I don't want to seduce you to use something else than emacs/gnus, but your view on IMAP might be different, if you use Netscape Collabra or MS Outlook just a single time, to operate on *any* IMAP server. WH> The UofW software opens every file in your home directory WH> looking for folders? Not *in* but *under*, exactly speaking the IMAP RFC deals with even *hierarchical* folders. so basically e.g. in Netscape Collabra, you (can) specify a subdirectory (e.g. iMail (note the difference!!!)), that carries your mail folders. Even nnimap (and any other tool, I think) allows / expects that subdirectory. In the case of the UWASH thing, all folders besides from the INBOX are (as you found) under your home directory, resp. in a subdir thereof. But AFAIK there is no user accessable option to enforce that. Further on that facility `user+emacs.ding@mail.address' would even be quite risky for it (only for UWASH???), because the (trustworthy) sender of a message decides into which mail folder a message goes. WH> That's the impression I got by trying to run it WH> once and finally hitting C-g 10 minutes later. That's just nnimap -- for whatever reason ... Other tools access remote IMAP folder much faster. WH> Actually, I want procmail to deliver mail into my imap folders, WH> but I think this is a pipe-dream at this point... sigh... That's exactly where I also started -- but only `wishwise'. My IMAP+web space provider does not support procmail for the cheap accounts, as I have one. So I was stuck. But then I wrote a utility in python doing something comparable to procmail, i.e. moving messages but *on* the IMAP server from one folder to other folders depending on an expression (using functions etc.). I find it quite readable, and I announced it on the fetchmail list, because it borrows code&concept from {fetchmail,fetchmailconf}, the latter one also being written in python. But without much response. Oh, my utility sends the user's password unencrypted, because it's too hard to do Kerberos under `python circumstances'. . ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Offline and IMAP 1998-10-07 15:58 ` Jochen_Hayek @ 1998-10-07 18:46 ` Wes Hardaker 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Wes Hardaker @ 1998-10-07 18:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:58:36 GMT, Jochen_Hayek@ACM.org said: >>>>> "WH" == Wes Hardaker <wjhardaker@ucdavis.edu> writes: JH> I don't want to seduce you to use something else than emacs/gnus, JH> but your view on IMAP might be different, he he... JH> if you use Netscape Collabra or MS Outlook just a single time, to JH> operate on *any* IMAP server. JH> Not *in* but *under*, exactly speaking the IMAP RFC deals with JH> even *hierarchical* folders. so basically e.g. in Netscape JH> Collabra, you (can) specify a subdirectory (e.g. iMail (note the JH> difference!!!)), that carries your mail folders. Right.... I think the *default* value if not specified by the client should be a sub directory which is reasonable. Yes, I can force gnus/imap to look in one place as well, you are right. JH> In the case of the UWASH thing, all folders besides from the INBOX JH> are (as you found) under your home directory, resp. in a subdir thereof. Right... And it opens everything in existence looking for mail. Ick. WH> That's the impression I got by trying to run it WH> once and finally hitting C-g 10 minutes later. JH> That's just nnimap -- for whatever reason ... Yes and no. I had *no* mail in an IMAP folder yet. It was because the imap server defaulted to looking in my home directory for mail folders, and it probably found some tar files, etc..., instead. Opening nnimap for a newly created user with no home directory was very fast. (and nnimap is definitely slow, you're right. Thats on purpose, from what I understand, for development purposes). JH> Other tools access remote IMAP folder much faster. Of course. elisp is not exactly an ideal programming language for speed ;-) WH> Actually, I want procmail to deliver mail into my imap folders, WH> but I think this is a pipe-dream at this point... sigh... JH> That's exactly where I also started -- but only `wishwise'. I have it working now actually... (not that I read my mail using IMAP yet...) JH> Oh, my utility sends the user's password unencrypted, JH> because it's too hard to do Kerberos under `python circumstances'. I haven't gotten nnimap to do kerberos yet either... It's supposed to work with "itest", but I haven't found (or looked for) it yet. -- "Ninjas aren't dangerous. They're more afraid of you than you are of them." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~1998-10-08 13:42 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 7+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- [not found] <glmlnms40r8.fsf@caffeine.mitre.org> 1998-10-08 13:42 ` Offline and IMAP Mark Moll 1998-09-29 3:23 Lars: You're hardest challenge yet Wes Hardaker 1998-09-29 4:18 ` Jason L Tibbitts III [not found] ` <6f4str9vxm.fsf@dna.lth.se> 1998-09-29 21:00 ` Wes Hardaker 1998-10-01 19:36 ` Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) Mikael MC Cardell 1998-10-01 22:36 ` Wes Hardaker 1998-10-01 22:43 ` C. R. Oldham 1998-10-07 15:56 ` Offline and IMAP Jochen_Hayek 1998-10-07 18:03 ` Mark Moll 1998-10-02 15:29 ` Offline and IMAP (was: Re: Lars: You're hardest challenge yet) Justin Sheehy 1998-10-07 15:57 ` Offline and IMAP Jochen_Hayek 1998-10-07 18:47 ` Wes Hardaker 1998-10-07 15:58 ` Jochen_Hayek 1998-10-07 18:46 ` Wes Hardaker
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