* Re: real programmers(TM)
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@ 2000-05-26 3:01 ` Aaron M. Ucko
2000-05-26 10:01 ` Toby Speight
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From: Aaron M. Ucko @ 2000-05-26 3:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Brian May <bmay@csse.monash.edu.au> writes:
> cat > a.out
Bah, that's for wimps.
cat /dev/audio > a.out
and whistle into the microphone. ;-)
> (then again, not sure what adb is...)
A traditional Unix debugger, still found on Solaris and maybe other
platforms.
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* Re: real programmers(TM)
2000-05-26 3:01 ` real programmers(TM) Aaron M. Ucko
@ 2000-05-26 10:01 ` Toby Speight
2000-05-26 11:10 ` Norman Walsh
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From: Toby Speight @ 2000-05-26 10:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Aaron> Aaron M. Ucko <URL:mailto:amu@MIT.EDU>
0> In article <udlwvkixbdp.fsf@quiche-lorraine.mit.edu>, Aaron wrote:
Aaron> Bah, that's for wimps.
Aaron>
Aaron> cat /dev/audio > a.out
Aaron>
Aaron> and whistle into the microphone. ;-)
cat /dev/random >a.out
If you've seeded the RNG correctly, nothing more to do.
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* Re: real programmers(TM)
2000-05-26 10:01 ` Toby Speight
@ 2000-05-26 11:10 ` Norman Walsh
2000-05-26 11:28 ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-26 19:26 ` Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Norman Walsh @ 2000-05-26 11:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
/ Toby Speight <streapadair@gmx.net> was heard to say:
| cat /dev/random >a.out
|
| If you've seeded the RNG correctly, nothing more to do.
I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
number of seed values.
Be seeing you,
norm
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* Re: real programmers(TM)
2000-05-26 11:10 ` Norman Walsh
@ 2000-05-26 11:28 ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-26 12:09 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-26 19:26 ` Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2000-05-26 11:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
> number of seed values.
IIRC, /dev/random is a real random number generator, not a pseudo
random number generator. So no problem there.
kai
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* Re: real programmers(TM)
2000-05-26 11:28 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2000-05-26 12:09 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-26 12:54 ` William M. Perry
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From: Jaap-Henk Hoepman @ 2000-05-26 12:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Norman Walsh, ding
On Fri, 26 May 2000 13:28:42 +0200 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
>
> > I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
> > number of seed values.
>
> IIRC, /dev/random is a real random number generator, not a pseudo
> random number generator. So no problem there.
But it blocks as soon as the entropy pool is (estimated to be) empty. So the
problem remains :-)
Jaap-Henk
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* Re: real programmers(TM)
2000-05-26 12:09 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
@ 2000-05-26 12:54 ` William M. Perry
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From: William M. Perry @ 2000-05-26 12:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Kai Großjohann, Norman Walsh, ding
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Jaap-Henk Hoepman <hoepman@cs.utwente.nl> writes:
> On Fri, 26 May 2000 13:28:42 +0200 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> > Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> >
> > > I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
> > > number of seed values.
> >
> > IIRC, /dev/random is a real random number generator, not a pseudo
> > random number generator. So no problem there.
>
> But it blocks as soon as the entropy pool is (estimated to be) empty. So the
> problem remains :-)
But doesn't it seed it from interrupt timings, etc? So just play a
bandwidth/keyboard/mouse intensive shoot-em-up game, and you write your
program while having fun at the same time. :)
-bp
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* Re: real programmers(TM)
2000-05-26 11:10 ` Norman Walsh
2000-05-26 11:28 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2000-05-26 19:26 ` Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2000-05-26 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
* Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> on Fri, 26 May 2000
| I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
| number of seed values.
And modern /dev/random implementations are cryptographically secure.
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* Re: real programmers(TM)
2000-05-23 1:44 ` real programmers(TM) Brian May
@ 2000-05-23 7:03 ` Hrvoje Niksic
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From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 2000-05-23 7:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Brian May <bmay@csse.monash.edu.au> writes:
> (then again, not sure what adb is...)
`adb' is the thing you use for control characters that `ed' and `cat'
won't grok. Linux wussies don't have adb. Har har har har!
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* Re: real programmers(TM)
2000-05-23 1:29 ` Lloyd Zusman
@ 2000-05-23 1:44 ` Brian May
2000-05-23 7:03 ` Hrvoje Niksic
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From: Brian May @ 2000-05-23 1:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "Lloyd" == Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com> writes:
Lloyd> Nope, they use ...
Lloyd> adb a.out
I always thought that the proper tool was
cat > a.out
or
echo "[insert program string here]" > a.out
(then again, not sure what adb is...)
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